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1 posted on 03/26/2008 12:05:08 PM PDT by FewsOrange
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To: FewsOrange

Uh oh, gonna be a long thread.


2 posted on 03/26/2008 12:07:02 PM PDT by jdm
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The parents told investigators their daughter last saw a doctor when she was 3 to get some shots, Vergin said.

So mid to late 1999, maybe?

3 posted on 03/26/2008 12:07:53 PM PDT by jdm
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Very, very sad. These parents killed their child; they should be punished.


4 posted on 03/26/2008 12:08:04 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: FewsOrange; EarthBound

God gave us the ability to understand medicine. They didn’t realize their prayer had been answered eons ago.

::sigh::


5 posted on 03/26/2008 12:08:18 PM PDT by MacDorcha (Arm yourself!)
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How very tragic. I think some people do not understand prayer and how the Lord works.


6 posted on 03/26/2008 12:08:28 PM PDT by twigs
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Sigh...when will people learn that sometimes God heals through the medical professionals...


7 posted on 03/26/2008 12:09:01 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (When life gives you lemons...don't forget the vodka...)
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Sad. Very sad.


8 posted on 03/26/2008 12:09:16 PM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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The problem is, folks like this are why the government is getting involved in people’s private business. The good Lord gave us medical advancements in order to save lives. Folks just need to take advantage of them and quit tempting the Lord with their demands that He work a miracle instead. The medical advancements are the miracle you dingbats.


10 posted on 03/26/2008 12:10:22 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Some think McCain should pick his No 2 now. I thought the nominee was No 2. And that No 1s me off!)
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It is great to believe in healing by faith, but when it is not working, there is nothing that forbids the use of doctors.


12 posted on 03/26/2008 12:11:05 PM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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This almost happened to us 4 years ago with our then 8 year old daughter. She was showing signs, which we found out later, of heading into a ketoacidotic coma. The thankfully empty emergency room immediately diagnosed her and she spent four days in the hospital. Reading this story makes my gut ache.


15 posted on 03/26/2008 12:13:51 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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Ecclesiasticus - Chapter 38

1 Honour the physician for the need thou hast of him: for the most High hath created him. 2 For all healing is from God, and he shall receive gifts of the king. 3 The skill of the physician shall lift up his head, and in the sight of great men he shall be praised. 4 The most High hath created medicines out of the earth, and a wise man will not abhor them. 5 Was not bitter water made sweet with wood?

6 The virtue of these things is come to the knowledge of men, and the meet High hath given knowledge to men, that he may be honoured in his wonders. 7 By these he shall cure and shall allay their pains, and of these the apothecary shall make sweet confections, and shall make up ointments of health, and of his works there shall be no end. 8 For the peace of God is over all the face of the earth. 9 My son, in thy sickness neglect not thyself, but pray to the Lord, and he shall heal thee. 10 Turn away from sin and order thy hands aright, and cleanse thy heart from all offence.

11 Give a sweet savour, and a memorial of fine flour, and make a fat offering, and then give place to the physician. 12 For the Lord created him: and let him not depart from thee, for his works are necessary. 13 For there is a time when thou must fall into their hands: 14 And they shall beseech the Lord, that he would prosper what they give for ease and remedy, for their conversation. 15 He that sinneth in the sight of his Maker, shall fall into the hands of the physician.

16 posted on 03/26/2008 12:14:08 PM PDT by frogjerk (Hope is a theological virtue, not a campaign promise)
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How sad for the family. Even if they had seen a doctor, they may not have taken the drugs, and she still may have died.

James 5:14-15 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

They were on the right path.

17 posted on 03/26/2008 12:14:54 PM PDT by Chili Girl
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I believe in the power of prayer and the God can work miracles.

However, parents who avoid medical treatment for their children using prayer as their only treatment should be required to pray for food and water to appear in their jail cell. No substance should be given them.

Matthew 4:7

18 posted on 03/26/2008 12:15:07 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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Nut cases.

“apparently they didn’t have enough faith,”

That’s why they needed a doctor.


19 posted on 03/26/2008 12:16:05 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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St. Paul, in the Bible, counsels the use of means other than “faith” for dealing with ailments...

“No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.”

-1 Timothy 5:23


25 posted on 03/26/2008 12:22:30 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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Sad.


26 posted on 03/26/2008 12:23:06 PM PDT by Dante3
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A Christian is studying the Bible in his living room, when there is a knock on the door. When he opens the door, it is a policeman, who informs him that the rivers are rising, a flood is expected, and evacuation is recommended.

The man explains, "I believe in God. I am sure he will protect me from danger."

The policeman shrugs his shoulders and leaves.

As the man is watching the rising water getting closer and closer to his house, there is a second knock, this time a State Trooper. The trooper says, "We are evacuating the area as the flood is getting serious and you are in jeopardy." Again the man explains, "I believe in God. I am sure he will protect me from danger. I am staying."

Well, the water continues to rise, until the man is forced to stay on the second floor. He hears some yelling and looks up to see two firemen in a rowboat right outside his second floor window.

One of the firemen calls, "Get in the boat, the rains are not letting up! It's getting serious."

"I believe in God. He will protect me from danger. I'll stay."

The firemen, fearing for their own safety, row on.

As the flood rises, the man is forced to climb out onto his roof, just as a helicopter is flying over. The helicopter drops a rope ladder and a voice calls down, "We're coming to get you!"

"No, no.... God will protect me. You go on."

Well, needless to say, the water continues to rise and the man drowns. When he gets to Heaven, he is really upset. "I must see God," says the man. "Please take me to God." He is granted an audience with God.

"Lord," says the man, "after a lifetime of devotion to you, why would you forsake me in my moment of need?"
God says, "I sent two cops, a rowboat full of firemen, and a helicopter...."

33 posted on 03/26/2008 12:36:25 PM PDT by frogjerk (Hope is a theological virtue, not a campaign promise)
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For some reason, this story reminded me of the story of the farmer in the flood:

A farmer is in Iowa during a flood. The river is overflowing, with water surrounding the farmer's home up to his front porch. As he is standing there, a boat comes up, The man in the boat says "Jump in, I'll take you to safety."

The farmer crosses his arms and says stubbornly, "Nope, I put my trust in God."

The boat goes away. The water rises to the second floor. Another boat comes up, the man says to the farmer who is now in the second story window, "Jump in, I'll save you."

The farmer again says, "Nope, I put my trust in God."

The boat goes away. Now the water is up to the roof. As The farmer stands on the roof, a helicopter comes over, and drops a ladder. The pilot yells down to the farmer "I'll save you, climb the ladder."

The farmer says "Nope, I put my trust in God."

The helicopter goes away. The water continues to rise and sweeps the farmer off the roof. He drowns.

The farmer goes to heaven. God sees him and says "What are you doing here?"

The farmer says "I put my trust in you and you let me down."

God says, "What do you mean, let you down? I sent you two boats and a helicopter!!!"

I guess both stories have the same point: we have God's help available when we need it - we merely need to look and understand that it may not exactly be what we are expecting!

34 posted on 03/26/2008 12:38:17 PM PDT by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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I just wrote about another one, but of a 15 month old, in Oregon. Right in a Left World: Church Withholds Medical Care, Child Dies
43 posted on 03/26/2008 12:50:41 PM PDT by DakotaRed (Keep following the media as they sell out America)
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“Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help”

Someday these cultists will learn that doing BOTH is much better than watching your child DIE!


46 posted on 03/26/2008 12:54:26 PM PDT by Grunthor (John McCain just went to theMiddle East where he demonstrated he doesn’t know a Shiite from Shinola)
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