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To: Red in Blue PA; indcons

The same source also mentions that prior to the Mongol conquest, Tibet was always an independent country. After the Mongol conquest, they were both ruled by the Mongols as “colonies” or protectorates as the case might be.

Your argument is akin to the Canadians claiming control over the USA because both countries were ruled by the same colonial power a while ago....LOL

The Yuan and Qing dynasties were both "foreign" rule over China, but it is Chinese history because it was during the Yuan time period that the independent states [of China] were unified for the first time since the Qin and with the exception of Outer Mongolia, China has maintained the same geographic borders under ONE CHINA.
 
As I said, I don't get my history from the internet. I suggest you pick up a copy of the Cambridge History of China. Hell, you might even give Jonathan Spence's, "The Search For Modern China" a read.
 
Again, your ridiculous claim that I'm a "Chicom" sympathizer is completely laughable - one look at my website reveals otherwise; that's why it was banned by China's censors.
 
If you'd like to continue this discussion, then I'd suggest you stop with the insults because I don't have the time for childish nonsense.
 
 

53 posted on 03/26/2008 10:59:11 AM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: Dr. Marten

“...that’s why it was banned by China’s censors”

Why? You are both on the same page when it comes to Tibet’s very legitimate struggle for independence.

“...I’d suggest you stop with the insults because I don’t have the time for childish nonsense”

Give me a break - you started with the liberal comparisons.

“The Yuan and Qing dynasties were both ‘foreign’ rule over China, but it is Chinese history because it was during the Yuan time period that the independent states [of China] were unified for the first time...”

By that logic, the constituent colonies should necessarily be independent countries (as they were prior to the Mongol conquest). If they want to be in a ChiCom federation, that’s their right. However, we are not talking about a voluntary union here but a continuation of the colonization by the ChiComs.


59 posted on 03/26/2008 11:21:05 AM PDT by indcons (The civilized world must boycott the 2008 Genocide Olympics.)
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To: Dr. Marten
China has maintained the same geographic borders under ONE CHINA.

Sorry, your own Wikipedia source contradicts that.

The history of "China" is one of more unstable warring feudal states than that of Tibet. Chinese unity is a myth. There has been little continuity there.

86 posted on 03/26/2008 2:51:48 PM PDT by TigersEye (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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