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To: wagglebee

I just want to make some remarks so that people understand there is a difference between euthanasia and sedation.

When my husband died of cancer at home, his pain level was very very high, and over the previous month, his body had become accustomed to high levels of morphine and other pain relievers. I want to point out that he was still walking to the bathroom, with my son’s help, the day that he died, so he was not “overly” medicated.

He was unable to take any fluids or food, and he had torn out his PIC line by himself, and refused to have it reconnected, so he could not be given any fluids. His body was shutting down, he was dying, he was aware, he was still whispering to us, and the morphine did not completely relieve his pain, no matter how much he was given.

He was given palliative care to the best of medicine’s ability to do so even at the end. He received the last rites that last day, but could not take the host; he was able to respond to our priest, his friend. Nothing was withheld, he was simply unable to take anything and became uncomfortable when the fluids he had been given in the PIC line just accumulated and did not hydrate him. He was conscious until about the last hour.

People who have relatives dying on hospice should not fear genuine palliative care—not everyone is aware the last several days, and some final comas last several days to a week before the body completely shuts down and dies. People often refuse — as opposed to having withheld — food and water when they are dying. You cannot force a dying person to eat, and often fluids simply stay in the location of the IV or PIC and do not circulate.

My father, when he died, was in a coma for a day before his death. He was in the hospital in ICU so he received every kind of care that could be given. It didn’t make any difference, except that he had a lot more pain than my husband did, and was very clearly unhappy about it.

When my mother died of cancer 35 years ago, she was in a coma for a week before she died. Her death was peaceful, but she had it in her stomach, so there was no question of her getting anything by mouth. Her IV infiltrated, and was not able to be started again due to her extreme weight loss from the disease, and she did not indicate discomfort in any way, just was “asleep” and barely breathing for a week.

People die in different ways. Moistening the lips, using IVs or PIC lines when they function are fine, pain relief is mandatory in my nursing experience, and people should not fear that they are “hastening” a loved one’s death by giving all that is necessary for the dignity of the dying person.

I say all this to say that death varies from person to person, depending on the cause, and that people who are dying often refuse what they genuinely do not want. Deep sedation, and withholding of food and fluids are both wrong, but at the very end, the doctor and other caregivers must accept the inevitable and do what is most comfortable for the dying person.

I’m not re-reading this before I post, so I hope there are no errors. If so, oh well. Death comes to us all. Sometimes, pain relief, like morphine, can shorten someone’s life beyond what medical science could sustain. When there is no use in doing that, then pain relief should take precedence, in my humble opinion.


6 posted on 03/26/2008 6:29:34 AM PDT by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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To: Judith Anne
Thank you for a very thoughtful and compassionate post, Judith Anne.
7 posted on 03/26/2008 6:34:01 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Judith Anne

Thank you for your thoughtful post. Very true.


8 posted on 03/26/2008 6:39:44 AM PDT by ladyrustic
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To: Judith Anne

As the author of this commentary noted, I recognize the difference between deep sedation and euthanasia. I too believe that sedation is a very humane and effective method to treat intense pain. However, when sedation is used as a means to starve and dehydrate the patient it is wrong and that is what the author was warning against.


9 posted on 03/26/2008 6:39:59 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Judith Anne

No errors, just a truckload of sense and compassion. God bless!


11 posted on 03/26/2008 6:42:10 AM PDT by grellis (If the democrats want a re-vote, let THEM pay for it!!!)
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To: Judith Anne

Thank you. This issue is too deeply personal for it to be a political issue.


13 posted on 03/26/2008 6:54:27 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Judith Anne
It seems to me that the problem isn't with the deep sedation but the subsequent, intentional, withdrawl of fluid and nutrition. The title is misleading.

I would also prefer my pain alleviated, even if it risks shortening my life. If I had reason to want to be awake (to visit with someone, say things needing to be said) and was willing to deal with the pain, then that's cool too.

But how sad it would be to deny pain relief for a dying person solely in order to make sure you aren't risking their life. What kind of life is that??

17 posted on 03/26/2008 6:59:59 AM PDT by Dianna
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To: Judith Anne
Thank You for your insightful post.

My Father-in-Law just passed away recently from lung and prostate cancer. His last few days in the nursing home and hospital were terrible. You could tell, even in the advanced state he was in, that he was in a lot of pain. It was clear at that point that he would be dying soon. They did have him on morphine, but even that has its limits.

I think I would have preferred that they keep him in some kind of induced coma or something similar to keep him from suffering so.
22 posted on 03/26/2008 7:16:12 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (feh)
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To: Judith Anne
I'm learning quite a bit here. Thanks. Amazing you could put those words down so effectively without editing.
30 posted on 03/26/2008 7:41:05 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureā„¢)
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To: Judith Anne

A voice of reason. Good post.


42 posted on 03/26/2008 8:23:01 AM PDT by oldvike
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To: Judith Anne

I agree with everything you wrote.In my sister’s case she wanted to be resuscitated so they could not begin hospice.I was asked many times to override her decision and get Power of Attorney to begin hospice but she had no pain.She did have some discomfort and she was given something for it.I was condemned by some people because of this.She was aware till the end and she did ask for help for pain.By then we had Power of Attorney and started hospice 8 hours before her death.She stopped eating on her own and her body could not handle any food or liquid.At the end she could barely talk but she put her hands together in prayer.We prayed till we were hoarse because she would know when we stopped.This was about 8 weeks ago.


43 posted on 03/26/2008 8:31:07 AM PDT by fatima
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