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John List, killer of family, dies at 82
UPI ^ | 3/24/08

Posted on 03/25/2008 11:15:40 AM PDT by Borges

John List, the devout Lutheran who killed his family, left the bodies in his New Jersey home and spent 18 years as a fugitive, has died at 82.

The state Department of Corrections said that List died Friday in a Trenton hospital. He had been an inmate at Trenton State Prison since he was given five consecutive life sentences in 1990.

List, an accountant and one-time Sunday school teacher, lived in Denver for years after shooting his wife, mother and three teenage children, returning to his previous occupation under an alias and marrying a woman he met at a church picnic. By the time of his arrest, after "America's Most Wanted" aired a segment on the crime, he was living in Richmond, Va., with his second wife.

In a five-page letter left for his pastor, List said he wanted to keep his family close to God. He also covered his tracks, telling his children's schools the family was going to be out of town. The bodies, laid out in the Victorian mansion he owned in Westfield, were not found for a month.


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To: dead

The really buggy weird thing is that he didn’t kill again. At least, as far we know he didn’t.


21 posted on 03/25/2008 11:37:23 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Clemenza
I seem to recall that John Emil had a large collection of Tiffany glass that could have been sold to pay off his family's debts.

That was a big question.

One of the other excuses he made in his letters was that he could no longer afford to support his family and that impending poverty would also encourage bad behavior.

He was a complete failure at his job and was barely making ends meet with his terrible commissions. He left town with something like $10,000 in debts - not counting the $10,000 he owed his mother before he slaughtered her.

However, he had apparently stolen $200,000 in life savings from his mother as well.

In 1971, $200,000 was a princely sum of money. What did he spend it all on? According to my aunt, his family didn't live an extravagant lifestyle at all. Did he spend it on Tiffany glass?

22 posted on 03/25/2008 11:37:28 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Puppage
I know what you mean....."devout".....hardly....more like "perverted" .....

May God have mercy on your soul, Mr. List......not like the mercy you gave your own children and their mother.....

23 posted on 03/25/2008 11:39:21 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Puppage

Yes.... He seems to have glossed over the part that says “Thou shalt not kill.”


24 posted on 03/25/2008 11:39:59 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: AppyPappy

Absolutely. It was one of the weirdest stories ever. I guess the new family behaved themselves.


25 posted on 03/25/2008 11:41:11 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: wideawake

I think the Tiffany glass was actually in some stained windows that the house had, wasn’t it?


26 posted on 03/25/2008 11:42:02 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Borges

A complete and true psychopath.


27 posted on 03/25/2008 11:42:11 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: raccoonradio
Me too...


28 posted on 03/25/2008 11:44:37 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: wideawake
I remember this case & was so glad to see him get arrested. Richard Biegenwald just recently died, now List, I wonder who will be next...
29 posted on 03/25/2008 11:45:11 AM PDT by pandoraou812 (Out, damned spot......OUT)
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To: stuartcr

God gives you the freedom to do good or evil. It’s called free will.


30 posted on 03/25/2008 11:45:39 AM PDT by notaliberal
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To: Borges

http://www.goleader.com/list/list03.pdf


31 posted on 03/25/2008 11:48:23 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (VA is for lovers, but PA is the Saudi Arabia of coal.)
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To: Borges
I find the comments on this article very interesting. No one is blaming the Lutheran Church! If it was a Catholic that did this horrific deed, there would be numerous hate-filled remarks about the Catholic Church (the Church founded by Jesus Christ, Himself).
32 posted on 03/25/2008 11:51:55 AM PDT by notaliberal
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To: dead

I don’t think that was the problem. Remember, he KILLED them. That’s not a rational act, even if you claim some heavenly justification. If you kill your family, there should be a good reason ie they stole your dope, you needed the insurance money or the always beloved “they just needed killin”. Killing your family for kicks sounds like a start to a life of serial badness.

Whatever happened to the old favorite “I don’t like Mondays”.


33 posted on 03/25/2008 11:53:59 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: notaliberal

You mean like “Too bad he wasn’t a Mormon?”


34 posted on 03/25/2008 11:55:05 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: frogjerk

He’s receiving his reward....now, and a much more intense one at the resurrection.


35 posted on 03/25/2008 11:56:57 AM PDT by Tolkien (Freedom comes with the Highest of Costs. The Cost of Blood)
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To: notaliberal

Doesn’t He know what will happen?


36 posted on 03/25/2008 11:56:57 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: stuartcr; wideawake
Doesn’t He know what will happen?

You're touching upon the eternal conundrum....'all-knowing' and 'all-powerful' are logical contradictions.
37 posted on 03/25/2008 12:00:17 PM PDT by Borges
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To: AppyPappy

The glass was in a stained piece that hung horizontally in the parlor area, as I recall. He had no idea that it was worth anything.

Oddly, my 15 year old daughter read about him and asked me last night if he is still living.


38 posted on 03/25/2008 12:01:54 PM PDT by King Hawk
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To: stuartcr

See post #30


39 posted on 03/25/2008 12:02:38 PM PDT by notaliberal
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To: AppyPappy
You mean like “Too bad he wasn’t a Mormon?”

Not following you on that one!

40 posted on 03/25/2008 12:04:12 PM PDT by notaliberal
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