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(HMAS) Sydney found by joining up German's dots (fascinating story)
The Australian ^ | March 22, 2008 | Tony Barrass

Posted on 03/24/2008 3:02:06 PM PDT by naturalman1975

IT has all the makings of a Boy's Own blockbuster: a mass breakout by German POWs from a rural Victorian internment camp; a mysterious dictionary revealing dotted codes of vital military importance; and a body washed up on a remote Indian Ocean island.

These events - three of many surrounding the evolving, extraordinary story of HMAS Sydney - continue to fascinate historians, who are now tantalisingly close to solving a military riddle that has haunted the nation for more than 66 years.

In the next few days, shipwreck hunter David Mearns and his crew aboard the SV Geosounder will sink high-resolution photographic equipment and get the first proper images of Sydney in six decades to the world.

They have found the light cruiser in 2400m of water 112 nautical miles off the West Australian coast. But it will probably be up to others to examine what are expected to be spectacular images of the hull and speculate how and why the ship went down as it did, with no survivors of the 645 crew.

But the historic discovery may not have eventuated if a small German-English dictionary had not been found when Theodor Detmers, the commander of the German raider Kormoran, was arrested in Shepparton, Victoria, after one of the most daring and little-known wartime escapes on Australian soil. Detmers was one of 315 survivors from the Kormoran, the first batch of 26 being picked up more than three days after the November 19 battle with the Sydney. Over the next four days, the remaining German survivors were recovered in six separate groups. Some were rescued by passing tankers and warships, while two boats carrying 103 sailors made it to shore, north and south of Carnarvon, 814km north of Perth.

(Excerpt) Read more at theaustralian.news.com.au ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: anzac; hmassydney; royalaustraliannavy; secondworldwar; worldwarii

1 posted on 03/24/2008 3:02:07 PM PDT by naturalman1975
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To: naturalman1975

Very cool stuff - thank you for posting this!!!


2 posted on 03/24/2008 3:06:28 PM PDT by PeterFinn (I am not voting for McCain. No way, no how.)
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To: naturalman1975; 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten; 359Henrie; 6323cd; 75thOVI; abb; ACelt; Adrastus; ...
Military History ping


3 posted on 03/24/2008 3:11:17 PM PDT by indcons
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To: naturalman1975

I second that. Thanks for posting.

Can’t wait to see the pictures.


4 posted on 03/24/2008 3:13:45 PM PDT by Captain Rhino ( If we have the WILL to do it, there is nothing built in China that we cannot do without.)
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To: naturalman1975
645 souls lost in one single incident.

And the libs bitch because we've lost 4000 in four years. Our WWII bretheren lost far, far more, and still went on to win the fight.
5 posted on 03/24/2008 3:15:30 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (feh)
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To: naturalman1975

This is undoubtedly going to reignite furious debate.

Ariel searches were undertaken but nothing was found. The fact that not a single lifeboat seemed to have got off, while most of the Germans were rescued over four days and even two boatloads made it to shore on their own, points to a massive magazine cookoff that killed the entire crew in one fell swoop.


6 posted on 03/24/2008 3:22:47 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: reagan_fanatic

The aussies paid terribly in blood during the first half of the twentieth-century in Britain’s wars of empire.

The WWI butcher’s bill alone goes a long way in explaining why they never became a superpower.


7 posted on 03/24/2008 3:24:34 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: sinanju

> ... points to a massive magazine cookoff that killed
> the entire crew in one fell swoop.

Could be; only 3 survived a similar event on Hood.

But another tidbit from the linked report:
“Not long afterwards, a man diving in the crystal-clear
waters off the Gascoyne coast discovered a clump of
unusual coral. He chipped away and underneath was a
German handgun, probably tossed overboard by
survivors of the Kormoran as they came to shore.”

Now why would anyone toss the weapon?
Perhaps because they were expecting immediate capture
by overwhelming force?
Or because the weapon had been recently fired, and
that fact would have been obvious.

Wiki reports that one body from Sydney was recovered,
with what may have been a 9mm head wound.
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As I remarked in the earlier thread,
9mm is not a round commonly used in
long-range naval engagements.


8 posted on 03/24/2008 4:30:45 PM PDT by Boundless (Legacy Media is hazardous to your mental health)
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To: Boundless
They now believe the "unknown sailor" might have been the only man to survive the Sydney sinking. What was thought to be a bullet hole in his head turned out to be shrapnel.
9 posted on 03/24/2008 4:53:29 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: naturalman1975

Link to the other thread:

Wreck of HMAS Sydney found
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1986730/posts


10 posted on 03/24/2008 5:17:25 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: naturalman1975

Excellent reading. The comments in this thread are excellent too. I hope National Geographic does a documentary on this soon. Has the Indianapolis been found and explored?


11 posted on 03/24/2008 5:17:48 PM PDT by beericus
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To: naturalman1975

Thanks for an exciting read.


12 posted on 03/24/2008 7:16:57 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: naturalman1975

Thank you for the ping to this thread from the earlier thread.

I hope that the film is found that the German buried in the cave onshore. The German pistol found might be a marker to indicate the section of the coast to locate the cave. It sounds like a cursory search was made in 1942. Perhaps the film was in small metal containers for 35 mm film that a metal detector could now find.

How amazing it would be for someone to locate that film—the images would help to fill in one of the war’s biggest mysteries.


13 posted on 03/24/2008 7:59:22 PM PDT by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: reagan_fanatic

Ah, but they didn’t have today’s democraps aiding and abetting the enemy for political empowerment of the democrap party.


14 posted on 03/24/2008 8:04:55 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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