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Climate Change? Been There, Done That
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/21/books/21book.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin ^

Posted on 03/22/2008 6:20:58 AM PDT by chessplayer

If you don’t think climate change produces winners as well as losers, consider this: In the 12th and 13th centuries England exported wine to France. Vineyards also flourished in improbable regions like southern Norway and eastern Prussia. A centuries-long spell of mild, predictable weather blessed Western Europe with abundant crops, healthy populations and budget surpluses sufficient to finance projects like Chartres Cathedral.

This is the credit side of a global balance sheet carefully itemized by Brian Fagan in “The Great Warming,” his fascinating account of shifting climatic conditions and their consequences from about A.D. 800 to 1300, often referred to as the Medieval Warm Period. The debit side is appalling: widespread drought, catastrophic rainfall, toppled dynasties, ruined civilizations. Abandoned Maya temples in the Yucatan and the desolation of Angkor Wat, supreme achievement of the Khmer empire, bear witness to climatic change against which royal power and priestly magic proved impotent.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: climatechange; globalwarming
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Argue with a warmist that the MWP was global, and chances are that they will say no, that it only affected limited parts of Europe and N. America. This guy seems to suggest it was global. Unless during the MWP Peru and the Sahara Desert were located in Europe or N. America.
1 posted on 03/22/2008 6:20:59 AM PDT by chessplayer
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Global Warming Scam News & Views

2 posted on 03/22/2008 6:22:11 AM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: chessplayer

From the article:

“Acorn trees died, and along with them peoples largely dependent on acorns for food. “

Is an acorn tree anything like an oak tree? < /s>


3 posted on 03/22/2008 6:27:32 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Typical White American)
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And when people wanted to place blame for the end of the MWP, they began denouncing the people who were still thriving as “witches”, and destroying them for the sake of the community.

Sound familiar?


4 posted on 03/22/2008 6:28:15 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (Just how will wrecking the U.S. economy save the planet?)
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To: chessplayer

A return to a green Sahara desert, as Freeman Dyson points out, will have a net positive effect that might swamp any of the negatives.


5 posted on 03/22/2008 6:29:40 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: chessplayer
HERETICAL THOUGHTS ABOUT SCIENCE AND SOCIETY
First, if the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is allowed to continue, shall we arrive at a climate similar to the climate of six thousand years ago when the Sahara was wet? Second, if we could choose between the climate of today with a dry Sahara and the climate of six thousand years ago with a wet Sahara, should we prefer the climate of today? My second heresy answers yes to the first question and no to the second. It says that the warm climate of six thousand years ago with the wet Sahara is to be preferred, and that increasing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere may help to bring it back.

6 posted on 03/22/2008 6:34:56 AM PDT by samtheman
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Yeah, we have some acorn trees right next to those helicopter seed trees and pinecone trees.


7 posted on 03/22/2008 6:37:21 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo (Earth - Taking care of itself since 4.6 billion BC)
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A basis in superstition is common to both.

The contemporay manifestation of superstition(Anthropogenic Global Warming ™ ) emanates from left-wing political efforts to grow government (in this case supranational government) and deny individual freedom.

8 posted on 03/22/2008 6:40:22 AM PDT by steelyourfaith
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We know so little about the planet’s climate as a whole that any statements like that are purely speculation.


9 posted on 03/22/2008 6:42:11 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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That’s it, in a nut shell...


10 posted on 03/22/2008 6:53:48 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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However, the famed “hockey stick” graph, that is the holy grail, of the cult of global warming ignored this Medieval warming period.


11 posted on 03/22/2008 7:13:32 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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“Yeah, we have some acorn trees right next to those helicopter seed trees and pinecone trees.”

And if you look up in the trees, you will see some pointy-headed people who act like nuts trying to spin stories about the sky falling.


12 posted on 03/22/2008 7:26:29 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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Acorn Trees — LOL. Publik skewl educated journalist at work?


13 posted on 03/22/2008 7:32:29 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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Our fluffy white pollen trees are blooming right now!


14 posted on 03/22/2008 7:33:11 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: chessplayer

ping


15 posted on 03/22/2008 7:33:46 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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The bees were going nuts in mine, yesterday.

I wonder if I could accurately call that a bee tree?


16 posted on 03/22/2008 8:14:05 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Typical White American)
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“Acorn trees died, and along with them peoples largely dependent on acorns for food. “ Is an acorn tree anything like an oak tree?

Just for info.... Growing up in England we used to refer to oak trees as acorn trees. I think the author comes from England also which may explain this...

17 posted on 03/22/2008 8:21:55 AM PDT by BRITinUSA
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Argue with a warmist that the MWP was global, and chances are that they will say no, that it only affected limited parts of Europe and N. America. This guy seems to suggest it was global. Unless during the MWP Peru and the Sahara Desert were located in Europe or N. America.

Go HERE for a pretty comprehensive compilation of studies relating to the MWP as manifested worldwide.
18 posted on 03/22/2008 8:22:35 AM PDT by aruanan
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OK, I can accept that it’s a “two peoples separated by a common language” sort of thing.

It sounds really, really odd, to an American ear.


19 posted on 03/22/2008 8:23:04 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Typical White American)
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People dependent on acorns for food are already living on the edge. Acorns have to be luted (treated with lye) in order to make them edible. Pretty much any climate change, up or down is going to put those people in a worse position.


20 posted on 03/22/2008 8:39:26 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("Ah! but it was something to have at least a choice of nightmares.")
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