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To: KingJaja

The only problem I have with the US exiting the UN, is that “global tests” now rest with the “international community” that remain. Newbie, I don’t know what to say. The UN is contrary to what our Founders envisioned for our country. Utopian internationalist dreamers got there wish.


27 posted on 03/22/2008 2:15:44 AM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: endthematrix

The World the founding fathers lived in no longer exists. The founding fathers could stay safe and secure seperated from the Old World and its troubles by the Atlantic Ocean.

The founding fathers did not depend on the Middle East for energy or on China for manufactured goods or on East Asia and the Middle East to finance debts.

The founding fathers did not live in an extremely interdependent world.

I am a foreign policy realist. The international order might be bad, but the only alternative to it is chaos or empire. The British and French tried Empire, got badly burned, and will never try it again. We don’t do empire, so we have to work with what we have.

You don’t win friends in Delhi, Botswana, Pretoria, Morocco or Brasilia by constantly saying ‘to hell with the UN’. You don’t win friends by implying that all the other good guys (yes good guys exist outside the US of A) that they are stupid for having faith in the UN.


28 posted on 03/22/2008 2:30:51 AM PDT by KingJaja
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