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1 posted on 03/21/2008 10:53:01 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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"many of the best teachers fleeing the state seeking stability, better conditions, and higher salaries."

we always here about this but many people I know with teaching degrees can not find full time jobs!.....

does anyone know just how much the average California teacher makes ?...and what the average pension/yr is?......that kind of info seems never to be talked about....

2 posted on 03/21/2008 11:02:03 PM PDT by cherry
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What moronic crud... A radio station said that as many as 4 thousand administrators were getting pink slips. It begs the question - why do we have 4 thousand administrators in the first place? Stop blowing money. The biggest waste of money in the state is making every campus ADA compatible. It dwarfs the billions we spend educating illegals.


3 posted on 03/21/2008 11:05:37 PM PDT by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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Can’t say ‘mom’ and ‘dad’ in schools there now. When the Christian homeschoolers and such yank their kids out of the schools, I will like to see what that exodus does to their godless, atheistic, pro-gay, pro-abort school system. Hope it totally tanks. It will help out the other 49 states’ school systems, textbook-wise.


4 posted on 03/21/2008 11:09:15 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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“When boom times came – 1999 taxes on capital gains brought $24 billion to the state treasury – schools spent the windfall immediately to make up for past debt, without saving for rainy days to come.”

I’m not sure I agree with the premise of this sentence. Schools are allocated money by local or state governments for the purpose of paying its bills that year.

It’s not a school district’s job to put some of its money into securities, it’s not a self-contained, self-capitalized business; it’s a government service. It’s the gov’t’s job to make sure it has capital available for all its projects. Not to say there hasn’t been waste, but the job of any government agency is to spend its budget. They were given the money to spend by the powers that be.


10 posted on 03/21/2008 11:18:43 PM PDT by MIT-Elephant ("Armed with what? Spitballs?")
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More fake reporting....no one has received a pink slip yet....and spending isnt being cut...future increases are being cut.


11 posted on 03/21/2008 11:29:28 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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"Already the bathrooms stink, the roof is leaking, and we never have enough textbooks. Now the school is going to take away key teachers and personnel," says Fidel Garcia, father of two at Manchester Ave. Elementary School in downtown L.A. "This can't be right."

And they want me to stop homeschooling my kids so they can attend schools like these? They're crazy! Over half the schools in my city are failing schools - they look slightly better than a crack house and the kids they're turning out need to take their shoes off to count to twenty. I'd rather up and move out of this state than have my child put one toe into these schools.

12 posted on 03/21/2008 11:32:46 PM PDT by TightyRighty
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The teachers’ union has a death grip on California.


13 posted on 03/21/2008 11:39:08 PM PDT by hsalaw
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It looks like we’ll finally be out of the public school system next year. My son just got into a private high school, and my girls are already in private school.

I’d just like my tax dollars back.


17 posted on 03/22/2008 12:27:52 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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preliminary pink slips

???

19 posted on 03/22/2008 12:40:51 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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If more Californians would do what’s right and yank their kids out of the Imperial Federal Indoctrination Centers (sometimes called schools) and homeschool them, more Indoctrination Center drones (sometimes called teachers) could be fired, thus reducing the need for funds.


22 posted on 03/22/2008 1:58:58 AM PDT by upchuck (Who wins doesn't matter. They're all liberals. Spend your time and money to take back Congress.)
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School them at home.


23 posted on 03/22/2008 4:34:29 AM PDT by RoadTest ( None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies - Isaiah)
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the thousands of teacher layoffs, the projected loss of librarians, nurses, counselors, and arts personnel; and the need to close schools, increase class sizes, and postpone buying new books.
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Gee! I notice that administrators are **not** listed. Imagine that!


24 posted on 03/22/2008 4:40:19 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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That tends to happen when such a huge percent of the student population isn’t legal.


27 posted on 03/22/2008 5:10:29 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (The fence is "absolutely not the answer" - Gov. Rick Perry (R, TX))
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This is from Senator Dave Cogdill
http://republican.sen.ca.gov/opeds/14/oped4362.asp

Fact: Expenditures have increased by $25 billion since 2003. This raises the question, “What do we have in the way of positive results to show for it?”

Fact: Throwing more money at a failing school system does not improve education. K-12 education is arguably the most contentious issue during budget negotiations. Certainly, we all want our schools to be well funded and provide safe environments that are conducive to learning. Republicans want California’s children to succeed just as much as Democrats do. Where we part ways is in accepting the fallacy that pumping more money into the education budget will necessarily result in better schools.

Fact: Education and per-pupil spending are continually rising. Since 2003, K-12 spending increased by $7 billion. Accordingly, per-pupil spending rose significantly from $8,960 in 2002-03 to $10,612 by 2005-06, according to the National Education Association. According to California’s nonpartisan Legislative Analyst’s Office, this places California right in the middle of the pack (25th) nationwide. Moreover, according to the National Education Association, California’s teachers are the highest paid nationwide.

Fact: California’s schools are failing California’s children. The outcome has been underwhelming to say the least. The most recent national assessment of educational progress ranks California’s fourth-graders 47th in the nation in math – down from 45th in 2003 – and 48th in reading – down from 47th in 2003. Similarly, the state’s eighth-graders fell from 44th to 45th in math.

Fact: California’s kids are giving up on California’s schools. Consider California’s shamefully high dropout rate. A report issued by the California Dropout Research Project observes that only two-thirds of California high school students graduate on time. Fully 170,000 of the more than 520,000 children who entered the ninth grade in 2002 dropped out or otherwise failed to graduate with the class of 2006. All the while, enrollment – the actual number of children requiring a public education – has decreased by 74,000 students over the past five years. In short, we’re spending more dollars on fewer kids and achieving less.


28 posted on 03/22/2008 6:18:27 AM PDT by Haddit (A Hunter Conservative)
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Even so, some damage has already been done. California will need thousands of teachers in the next decade. Says David Sanchez, president of the CTA: "Why would any good teacher want to come here if they have to wonder what each year's budget is going to bring?"

And why would any business want to locate here when they're going to get shaken down by the legislative thralls to the teacher's union?

32 posted on 03/22/2008 5:00:50 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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Time for the Attorney General of California and other states to revisit Plyler v. Doe which is breaking our states public education system at the benefit of illegals and to the detriment of American Citizens and legal immigrant children. come on terminator get some huevos and tell him to do it.

http://www.tourolaw.edu/patch/Plyler/

33 posted on 03/22/2008 5:28:41 PM PDT by rolling_stone (same)
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