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To: cid89
I could not more vehemently disagree. Have you read the book or any history.

Yes, I have. Have you ever crafted a sentence in English before?

Adams and Jefferson and their followers gave us a little something called factionalism, which you might recognize today as bitter partisan politics. And Adams most definitely played the game; sorry to burst your bubble.

47 posted on 03/19/2008 7:10:00 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Adams and Jefferson and their followers gave us a little something called factionalism, which you might recognize today as bitter partisan politics. And Adams most definitely played the game; sorry to burst your bubble.

You might want to check your sources. Jefferson and Hamilton, but primarily Jefferson, started the partisanship during Washington's administration. Jefferson was always messing around in the background trying to get the US to take the side of the French radicals against the British and even had surrogates trashing Washington in an attempt to force him to change his stance on neutrality.

Adams, like Washington, had little use for partisan politics. As president, Adams managed to piss off both sides because he would not give into to either of their demands.

Adams did not have the temperament to be a politician. He was far too blunt and stubborn to play political games.

71 posted on 03/19/2008 8:19:59 AM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Sorry to disapoint you with my writing style. Didn’t realize we were writing for a journal. Anyway, I guess you have to attack something. It is much better to discuss the facts and issues.

The problem with your statement is that Adams didn’t have very many followers. He kept the cabinet from Washington and they sabotaged him. When you say he played the game, are you referring to when he went against his own party to pursue peace with France or was it when he went against Jefferson’s party to prepare for war. Was it when he refused to be controlled by Hamilton or was it when he spent 7 months away from the capitol at home.

I don’t have a bubble to burst. I know that politics was a dirty business and that Adams participated but to say that he gave in to politics is to deny the facts. He did too many things that were detrimental to his own political future as President. He definitly wasn’t playing at politics when he sent the notice of peace from France to Jefferson to read on Senate floor. He gave his opponents what they wanted.

Anyway, just a discussion I am sad that you saw fit to cast insults instead of good discussion about politics and history when there is definitly a place for a discussion on this issue.


86 posted on 03/20/2008 7:02:35 PM PDT by cid89
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