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Schools glad to have more cops
NorthJersey.com ^ | Sunday, March 16, 2008 | STEPHANIE AKIN

Posted on 03/17/2008 4:29:35 PM PDT by Coleus



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; homeschoolingisgood; leo; newjersey; nj; publicschools; publikkskoolz; schools
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1 posted on 03/17/2008 4:29:36 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus
What school police officers do:

* Present a positive image of police.
* Steer students clear of illegal or dangerous behavior.
* Act as a liaison between troubled students and outside social service agencies.
* Secure school buildings and keep staff up to date on safety mandates.
* Investigate legal complaints.
* Teach courses on math, substance abuse or driving.

And don't forget, blow everyday teenager behavior into felony sexual abuse charges and trying to ruin the lives of boy's over behavior that has gone on for time immemorial. They were originally charged with 5 felony counts of sex abuse, which was later dropped to misdemeanor harassment, before finally being dropped altogether, but not before their parents had to spend $$$$$$$tens of thousands of dollars on attorneys.

Two 13-year-old boys charged with sex harassment will stand trial, a judge ruled Monday.

The boys are accused of swatting the bottoms and poking or grabbing the breasts of classmates at Patton Middle School in McMinnville.

Their defenders have made an issue of the decision to prosecute Cory Mashburn and Ryan Cornelison, arguing that the matter didn’t rise to the level of a criminal offense and should have been handled by school officials.

Last week, Presiding Judge John Collins dismissed misdemeanor sex abuse charges, which means the two no longer face the prospect of lifetime registration as sex offenders.

Defense lawyers hoped to have all the charges dismissed Monday and said the adverse decision was a blow.

“It’s very frustrating, very intense to me” said Tracie Mashburn, mother of Cory. “It’s not over. It’s not done yet. There’s still a hope and a chance.”

2 posted on 03/17/2008 4:55:22 PM PDT by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: Coleus

So, it is acceptable in your opinion that boys should grab the breasts and crotches of 13 year old girls?

I took a complaint today that a 13 year old boy was ‘teabagged’ at his school. He was held down by a 17 year old while an 18 year rubbed his genitals in the kids face. This must be a ‘boys will be boys’ thing so you obviously think that I should just close this out and save myself 6 plus hours of investigation interviewing the witnesses and suspects?

I would hope the police would take these events seriously. As a father of a 13 year old girl I would want these complaints investigated completely.

You also fall into the belief that what is printed in the media is all of the information there is. From my experience the media generally prints just enough information to keep people interested, one way or another.


3 posted on 03/17/2008 6:30:57 PM PDT by midcop402
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To: Coleus

So, it is acceptable in your opinion that boys should grab the breasts and crotches of 13 year old girls?

I took a complaint today that a 13 year old boy was ‘teabagged’ at his school. He was held down by a 17 year old while an 18 year rubbed his genitals in the kids face. This must be a ‘boys will be boys’ thing so you obviously think that I should just close this out and save myself 6 plus hours of investigation interviewing the witnesses and suspects?

I would hope the police would take these events seriously. As a father of a 13 year old girl I would want these complaints investigated completely.

You also fall into the belief that what is printed in the media is all of the information there is. From my experience the media generally prints just enough information to keep people interested, one way or another.


4 posted on 03/17/2008 6:30:57 PM PDT by midcop402
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To: midcop402

i don’t know what the blank you are talking about?


5 posted on 03/17/2008 8:46:17 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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To: metmom; Tired of Taxes; DaveLoneRanger

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6 posted on 03/17/2008 8:47:26 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; 2Jedismom; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; Antoninus; arbooz; bboop; bill1952; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. If you want on/off this list, please freepmail me. The main Homeschool Ping List by DaveLoneRanger handles the homeschool-specific articles. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list.
7 posted on 03/18/2008 5:42:54 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Coleus
"In the beginning, it was this concern that this was going to shift the school environment from an educational purpose to a prison-like environment," said Detective Timothy Gerity, a Saddle Brook officer. "Now we're beyond that."

Sounds like a valid concern to me.

Yes, they are beyond the concern; it's happened.

8 posted on 03/18/2008 5:44:08 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Coleus
I bet the cost of those police is NOT included in the school budget. I bet the salaries of those policemen is consider on a separate state and local budget!

I am willing to bet that the REAL cost to send a kid to a government indoctrination camp is 2X what the state claims it is.

In my state, police protection for the schools is not considered a school expense. Retirement and health benefits for retired teachers is not either. They are simply listed a state and local retired employees. There are many other services used by the government schools that are provided by the county that are provided off-budget.

I wish someone with investigative skills and the power to publicize this travesty would do an investigation.

9 posted on 03/18/2008 5:54:21 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: metmom

There have been police officers in our high school since my older now adult children went there. I don’t see that it did too much good. Drug dealing went on as usual. But we did have undercover cops. They would try to get into the drug circles but the teens weren’t very likely to let them in. They didn’t speak the right words etc. Its been sometime since I’ve had to deal with high school thankfully & I don’t plan to again. It did help that the police station was across the street. However teens IMO don’t seem to have any respect for too much of anything anymore. They do what they want & usually the parents flip out & say my child would never....It all starts at home. If you bring your children up with respect & teach them rules IMO you will have better children.


10 posted on 03/18/2008 5:59:33 AM PDT by pandoraou812 (Out, damned spot......OUT)
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To: metmom

Good grief!

I also note, with humor, that it says that police officers may “teach math classes”. I thought only certified and licensed teachers were smart enough to educate young skulls full of mush? Or is it just belonging to a union that matters?


11 posted on 03/18/2008 6:19:14 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB

Probably just a willingness to support the schools is all that’s needed.


12 posted on 03/18/2008 6:39:48 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: JenB

Why would someone want to send their kid to somewhere that not only has to have armed police officers to try to protect the kids, but are glad to have them?

Totally beyond me.


13 posted on 03/18/2008 6:40:57 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

The homeschool lifestyle makes you question things more than most people do, I think. I think lots of people just see a uniform and are happy to obey and feel safe. Me - I agree with you.

If it’s got uniformed guards, metal detectors, rigid schedules, and no allowance for autonomy - is it a school? Or a prison?


14 posted on 03/18/2008 6:58:59 AM PDT by JenB
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To: metmom
Sounds like a valid concern to me.
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Worse, is that it conditions children to be comfortable with having government police rule their lives.

How do schools resemble prisons? Hm? ( As Shakespeare would say, “Let me count the ways.”)

1) Uniformed armed prison guards roaming the halls.
2) School buses look like prison work gang buses.
3) “lock-downs”
4) in house and afternoon detentions resemble solitary confinement and loss of prison privileges.
5) Saturday detentions resembles loss of prison privileges and solitary confinement.
6) Metal detectors,
7) Locker and personal searches.
8) Drug testing
9) Government schools look like minimum security prisons.
10) Children like prisoners need hall passes.
11) Children like prisoners are told when they can eat, go to the bathroom, and exercise.
12) Government schools have exercise yards like prisons.
13) Children like prisoners learn to march two by two.

In some ways prisoners have it better than children:

1) The weight lifting equipment of prisoners is likely better.
2) They get their teeth fixed for free.
3) Prisoners are not segregated by age.
4) Prisoners enjoy a more racially, economically, and class diverse society.
5) Prisoners are not subjected to non-stop proselytizing in the government religion of atheistic, morally relativistic, Secular Humanist, Marxism.

15 posted on 03/18/2008 7:01:27 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime
Correction on #11.

11) Children like prisoners are told when and what they can eat, go to the bathroom, and exercise.

16 posted on 03/18/2008 7:04:20 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Bingo!

School cafeterias resemble prison cafeterias, and that food on the plate better have the government imprimatur!

In some ways children have it worse that prisoners. Children are proselytized by the government about what is “holy” food and what it “unholy” food. Prisoners are just told to shut up and eat it.


17 posted on 03/18/2008 7:10:20 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: JenB

If it’s got uniformed guards, metal detectors, rigid schedules, and no allowance for autonomy - is it a school? Or a prison?
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What it does is condition children to passively accept and not question government authority and rule.


18 posted on 03/18/2008 7:12:32 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

My son is a senior and attending the local high school, as I have mentioned before.

He tells me that in the cafeteria, the portion sizes are restricted by the state. You only get so much food for the money. Even the lunch ladies think this is ridiculous because it doesn’t take into account when the kids are doing sports and burning LOTS more calories.

So the kids just buy two meals.


19 posted on 03/18/2008 7:16:45 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wintertime

BTW, this school has a GOOD smelling cafeteria. They make their own homemade soups. The salads look good and fresh. They have some good cooks (who are also parents of the students) working in that cafeteria.

They do what they can within the framework of the system.


20 posted on 03/18/2008 7:18:35 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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