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Panic of 2008: Is Lehman Brothers Next?
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Posted on 03/17/2008 5:57:12 AM PDT by Lazamataz

Monday, 17 March 2008 Major financial news and emergency Fed meetings on a Sunday? If you had any doubts about how serious the Panic of 2008 is going to be, this should start hinting at how deep we've gotten. Watch Lehman Brothers this week - the brokers are selling it before the market even opens.

Early on Sunday (3-16-08) the details of the JP Morgan acquisition of Bear Stearns were released: $220 million, $2 per share. This is pennies on the dollar - or at least the dollars that Bear was claiming to have just a few days ago. Many were absolutely shocked at this final price, and the Fed rushed in immediately to cut discounts rates by 25 points - many expect an additional emergency meeting early today (Monday 3/17/08) with a target cut of about 100 basis points.

International markets wasted no time in profitting off American weakness, and the dollar crashed to yet another record low. Gold spiked $20-$30, and is now entrenched well over the psychological $1000 / ounce threshold.

Panic of 2008: AAA and Mortgage Miscalculations

What exactly took down Bear Stearns? Well, the subprime credit crisis is part of the story, but we're at the point now where panic itself is driving collapses left and right in the financial sector. In the history books, they'll simply call it a "bank panic."

Obviously, it all began following 9-11 as the Fed cut interest rates to very low levels, fueling an increased boom in home buying and mortgage activity. New demand for real estate drove up prices, and the banks holding mortgage-backed securities were using them as collateral for their own investments or as the reserve for their loans to hedge funds.

This is where Carlyle comes in (you may recognize this name for its association to the Bush family). One week ago, they managed $80 billion in assets - today there is nothing left. They had leveraged some assets 23 times into triple AAA bonds, and the bonds went bust. Within a day, the chain reaction brought them to default on their debts and triggered a "run on the bank" that effectively eliminated the company.

You know the economy is bad when the sitting president can't keep his dad's company from going bankrupt.

Enter Bear Stearns: They were the unfortunate holders of 15% of Carlyle's stock. Again, within the day, margin loans were being called in and Bear Stearns was in a position to liquidate its assets and shut down shop.

As if this wasn't bad enough, the Fed managed to engineer a "rescue" for the economy as a whole that consists of JP Morgan acquiring the Bear Stearns assets for 1 / 100th of their previously reported values.

Stop for a second and think about that. To save the economy, we have to revalue financial assets at 1 / 100th of their previous value.

There is a big problem with that, beyond even the inflationary pressure of all this Federal Reserve activity and asset guarantees. What happens in today's stock market when all the investors and depositors at the banks that had invested in the now worthless Bear Stearns stock?

That's right - margin calls, mass withdrawls - another bank run, another daily panic in the Great Panic of 2008. Dow Futures are indicating an open at the 2008 low - about 11,750 and still a way to go before seeing the important 11,500 level I predicted we would be testing. If another major bank suspends investor access to liquid assets or announces another "bailout" (or fire-sale), then I don't even know how low things would go.

The talk, the rumor, and the panic is pointing at Lehman Brothers as the next victim of the post-bubble crisis. In the Monday morning trading hours, Lehman Brothers Stock is down almost 15% - and that is before any actual bad news. This is the phase we are in: Almost no bank or financial institution could actually cover all of its liabilities in the face of a panic-driven run. At the same moment, almost anything can create the fear and panic necessary to create such a reaction. If the Fed doesn't act, banks will collapse left and right. When the Fed acts,


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: economy; lehman; stpatricksmassacre; wallstreet
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To: Mad Dawgg

Glad to hear it. I am in western Oklahoma’s wide open spaces. Rain today has delayed my potato planting, but I will get it finished sometime this week. I think we can make through any economic dowturn as long as we are vigilant and keep a sense of humor.


101 posted on 03/17/2008 10:27:16 AM PDT by Jay Redhawk (multiculturalism equals surrender)
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To: investigateworld
Good question but very difficult to answer accurately. In the 'old' days (think 80s and 90s), if you used FNMA/FHLMAC data, you could reasonably do WACs and WAMs based on a wealth of historical data. I am afraid this product does not have enough history to make statistically significant conclusions.

This is just another 'perfect storm' of greedy elements - (in no particular order) mortgage bankers, appraisers, investment bankers and as usual the most egregious of all - the political whores (including Greenspan) who pursued a policy that every brokedick person in the country had a right to own a home, even if he could not afford it.

102 posted on 03/17/2008 10:34:37 AM PDT by MarkT
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To: tongass kid; MarkT
I can see the problem, with the 'income approach' to appraising these loans. With many of the teasers going to reset, there is no data how the homeowner will react or even stay with the property.

Lordy, where were the adults?

103 posted on 03/17/2008 11:19:23 AM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

+64


104 posted on 03/17/2008 12:08:29 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: tongass kid

Cap Rates will keep the buyers away, and the price will go down... And frankly it needs to. The notion that you park your money in real estate and appreciation will make you rich in a few years was nonsense in both retail and commercial real estate... That party is done.

Real Estate holding when this collapse is finally done, and its going to take a long while, will once again be an inflation hedge, not a 2 year paper wealth attempt.


105 posted on 03/17/2008 12:31:45 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: central_va
+64

Squeek my cat told me to say thank you..........she will sleep well tonight.

106 posted on 03/17/2008 5:48:36 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (There's three ways to skin a cat but not one is worth the effort.......)
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To: Lazamataz
Stop for a second and think about that. To save the economy, we have to revalue financial assets at 1 / 100th of their previous value.

Yeah, and - stop for a second and think about it - the revalue and were happy to get out.

107 posted on 03/17/2008 9:12:48 PM PDT by GOPJ (Obama's Rev shows blacks too can be hateful small minded bigots. Toss white guilt-it's a new day.)
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To: central_va

Dang, I missed the low by 40 and you missed the high by 15 minutes of trading. I don’t think we’re ready to start a brokerage yet, but if we screw up won’t the Fed just come save us too?


108 posted on 03/18/2008 7:39:13 AM PDT by underground (Viva la Socialisme Wall Street)
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To: underground

We’re all gonna die!!!!


109 posted on 03/18/2008 7:39:58 AM PDT by Lazamataz (We're all gonna die!!!!)
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To: Lazamataz

You’re pretty bullish on an economy hooked up to government life support. We’re sleepwalking through another New Deal, but hey, the Fed will save us all!


110 posted on 03/18/2008 8:29:13 AM PDT by underground (Viva la Socialisme Wall Street)
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To: underground
I'm not pretty bullish.

I'm pretty bulls**t.

111 posted on 03/18/2008 8:34:18 AM PDT by Lazamataz (We're all gonna die!!!!)
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