Posted on 03/16/2008 10:37:34 AM PDT by Alouette
It is one of the enduring mysteries of the second world war. More than 800 Jews based in this hospital in the middle of Nazi Berlin survived the war, seemingly — and bizarrely — protected by Adolf Eichmann, the architect of the Final Solution. So who were they and why were they saved?
Russian soldiers fighting their way through the rubble of Berlin in the last days of the war turned the corner of Iranische Strasse, in the district of Wedding, and came across an elegant building almost intact. Fanning out to search the structure, the Russians ransacked the place, room by room. Medical equipment and rows of beds showed that it had once been a hospital. Searching deep into the bowels of the building, the Russian liberators burst open cellar doors, and in the darkness made out hundreds of cowering figures – more than 800 people in all.
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I don't have to. I've been aware of JBS type nonsense for more than fifty years.
Here's what you wrote: "Patton could have taken the last two nukes and saved us 50 years of cold war..."
The last two nukes? Patton should have used these nukes in Europe after the Japanese surrender? Where should these nukes have been used? And why Patton? Was he to drive them somewhere in tanks?
Maybe you mean that the nukes should have been dropped from B-29s. If so then from where would the B-29s have taken off and what would have been their targets?
Yes indeed. You can discover that the Elder Bush is half lizard and that the younger Bush is responsible for 9/11. You can discover anything you wish to discover.
“In another brush with destiny, Mr. Skubik was informed by the Ukrainian underground of a Soviet assassination plot against Gen. George Patton. After his reports on the plot were dismissed, Gen. Patton was killed in an accident involving his staff car and a military truck. Although part of Gen. Patton’s security detail, Mr. Skubik was refused permission to investigate the crash. Mr. Skubik’s Ukrainian underground contact, Stepan Bandera, was himself assassinated by the KGB in 1959.”
What is your source for this? I would like to peruse the site.
Dig around - you can google.
I don’t have to. I’ve been aware of JBS type nonsense for more than fifty years.
Here’s what you wrote: “Patton could have taken the last two nukes and saved us 50 years of cold war...”
The last two nukes? Patton should have used these nukes in Europe after the Japanese surrender? Where should these nukes have been used? And why Patton? Was he to drive them somewhere in tanks?
Maybe you mean that the nukes should have been dropped from B-29s. If so then from where would the B-29s have taken off and what would have been their targets?
Its interesting that you called the JBS nonsense in 1958 - when Barry Goldwater was a big supporter of theirs.
But in response to your questions; Moscow and St Petersburgh,because he was our best military leader,no,and Berlin as the Russian forces were decimated and we had absolute air superiority.
PS - you can bet your last dollar we had more than 2 nukes.
Name some.
What was Truman’s response to both Eisenhower and the minister to Sweden and do you have a link to the letter you excerpted?
“Just a Friendly reminder, people read your post.
And again, be careful. 5.56mm”
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
And, least we forget:
The number of Americans who died in the war was 300-400 thousand, depending on how you count.
The number of Brits was about the same, though fewer soldiers and 60,000 civilians killed by German bombings.
The number of Soviets who died is around 20 million, half of them civilians.
So, Roosevelt was the senior partner in the western alliance, in terms of US treasure and war materials supplied to the others.
But Stalin was the first partner in terms of blood lost, and taken.
And in war, blood counts for something.
So Stalin got most of what he wanted from Roosevelt in terms of the post-war.
Finally, on the number and timing of US nukes after Nagasaki, here's what Wikipedia says:
“The United States expected to have another atomic bomb ready for use in the third week of August, with three more in September and a further three in October.[45] On August 10, Major General Leslie Groves, military director of the Manhattan Project, sent a memorandum to General of the Army George Marshall, Chief of Staff of the United States Army, in which he wrote that “the next bomb . . should be ready for delivery on the first suitable weather after 17 or 18 August.””
let me go out on the limb here!
Half the State Dept?
he wrote a book too - good luck trying to find a copy.
lots of things seem to disappear.
“Ike was a soldier in W.W.II, and did what he was told”
he also prolonged the war , refusing german offers to surrender.
Keep spouting the Kremlin party line. We all might be in Syria next year because of the refusal to see how much the Russians have been able to infiltrate and deceive.
He was a soldier from FT. Sam Houston in 1916.
You're totally wrong. The next A-bomb would be ready in 3 more weeks. U 235 and plutonium took time be produced, it was not at all an easy procedure.
And guess what, we made sure the program was infested by commies so that the Russians would get the technology too.
Are you nuts? General Groves and his security people were all over the place. There was a popular sign on trash cans in Los Alamos that said, "Don't throw your cigarette butts in this trash can, you might set fire to five spooks."
(Yes, toto - Trinity was not the only nuke).
You know nothing of the Manhattan Project, and your ignorance should embarrass you - but it won't.
“The Soviet soldiers committed millions of rapes, but they weren’t systematically trying to see to it that every woman in eastern Europe was a victim. So it wasn’t universal.”
I am not talking about rape.
Do you deny that the communists committed genocide against 100 million in the last century?
I didn't know that we had planes with the range to reach those cities and return. What planes were those?
...because he was our best military leader...
Patton wasn't Army Air Corps and tanks are not the best delivery system for nukes.
...and Berlin as the Russian forces were decimated and we had absolute air superiority.
So we should have nuked Berlin. Got it.
Ping!
This is an absolutely fantastic historical story. If anyone had ever heard about this Jewish Hospital in Berlin during the Nazi era prior to this this thread, what was your source?
Ike accepted the surrenders of many thousands of German soldiers, and whole cities the allies liberated.
Any official offer of surrender by the German government, would go straight up the line to Roosevelt, later Truman. And to my knowledge, there were none.
And the reason is pretty clear. In their first war-time conference at Casablanca, in January 1943, Roosevelt laid down his terms for peace, just like Grant, it was “unconditional surrender.”
Thank you.
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