Posted on 03/16/2008 10:37:34 AM PDT by Alouette
It is one of the enduring mysteries of the second world war. More than 800 Jews based in this hospital in the middle of Nazi Berlin survived the war, seemingly — and bizarrely — protected by Adolf Eichmann, the architect of the Final Solution. So who were they and why were they saved?
Russian soldiers fighting their way through the rubble of Berlin in the last days of the war turned the corner of Iranische Strasse, in the district of Wedding, and came across an elegant building almost intact. Fanning out to search the structure, the Russians ransacked the place, room by room. Medical equipment and rows of beds showed that it had once been a hospital. Searching deep into the bowels of the building, the Russian liberators burst open cellar doors, and in the darkness made out hundreds of cowering figures – more than 800 people in all.
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Well, OK. You certainly understand that Japan never did surrender to the Soviets and the Soviets never did invade either territory. The Russians didn’t start to re-occupy those territories until after the Japanese communicated their unconditional surrender to the US and Great Britain on August 15, so that surrender could not have been in response to that occupation. The Soviet right to occupy the Kuriles and Sakhalin was granted by The US and Great Britain at the Yalta conference in February, 1945.
Not even close.
Peter, you have risen to your level.
Japan also expected to negotiate a peace after their conquest of territories.
“But it was enough, combined with US A-bombs,”
No soap, radio?
General Groves and his spooks did their absolute best to maintain security at Los Alamos, but the two sleeper communists fooled everybody. For ten Freeper points, who was the future Nobel laureate that loaned his car to Fuchs, not having any idea that Fuchs was dropping off information to his Soviet controller.
You really don't know anything, do you? It's really pathetic, you're turning into a pinata.
Yeah, you and all those voices in your head.
How convenient that you ignore the fact that Oppenheimer was a commie himself.
So, will you be offering anything of substance today or is that not your style.
Oppenheimer was never proven to be a member of CPUSA, although his wife was when she was married to her communist husband who was killed in Spain during the Spanish Civil War. She stayed drunk most of time in Los Alamos, and physics was beyond her biology background.
So, will you be offering anything of substance today or is that not your style.
Well, actually I and a whole bunch of other posters have been trying to educate you with facts. It's difficult dealing with DUmmies because they forget everything immediately and we just keep having to go over the same ground, time and time again.
Teller?
Richard Feynman. And Teller never was awarded the Nobel Prize in physics.
I guessed Teller because the “in” reds looked down on him... but you’re right, he never received a nobel - (if you look at who gets Nobels, NOT getting one is an honor for Teller.)
35 years? It's 63 years, and I'm curious what the 'proof' was.
Patton had out run his supply lines through France, and he wasn't the only one to do so. The distance from the beaches to the front grew so long that it was time to establish and stock intermediate depots. That's not a bad thing --- the same happened in 2003 on our march to Baghdad where we had to stop for a few days to allow logistics to to catch up. This was a battle field a hundred times the magnitude of what we had in Iraq.
Patton was an egotist who thought he could win the war all by his bad-ass self. If left to his own devices, he would turned the 3rd Army into ground meat. If Ike had given him all the gas he wanted (and forget the other 30 divisions on the front,) he probably could have broken the Siegfried line all by himself --- and then he would have been cut to bits as he ran out of fuel, ammo and food in Indian country when he did not have a secure line of supply and no flanking support.
After a rapid advance, prudence dictates a pause to consolidate.
Don't base your history on a Hollywood movie.
Well said, Ditto.
There is no “massive evidence” to “prove” anything about this particular question “conclusively.”
There is a long running debate about it.
All the Monday morning quarterbacks, all the five-star wannabees have weighed in with their opinions that Ike was a dolt, or worse.
And it actually began in real time, in 1944, when British General Montgomery wanted a single Blitz-krieg type “push to Berlin,” through northern Germany, the British sector.
Ike originally supported the idea, and that's what operation Market Garden (”the bridge too far”) was all about.
But when Market Garden failed, Ike decided the best course was to make like the Soviets and hammer the ever-loving Be*esus out of the Geman army, all along the front.
So Patton got his fair share of fuel & supplies. But he never got everything he wanted.
Compared to today, he was given relatively free reign and proved himself a brilliant General. Ike was a desk General and damn good at it and had to placate the Brits and Monty as well. You ought to read of Subetai - Genghis Khan's best General and greatly admired by a Russian General (luckily purged by Stalin prior to the WWII), Rommel, and Patton. Subetai conquered (or overran) more territory than any other commander in history. After the fall of the Khwarezmian Empire, Subetai and his force of 30,000 successfully advanced over 5,000 miles around the Black Sea without any supply lines and no flanking support - defeating Georgians, Kypchaks and others - before meeting back up with Genghis Khan's army. I know that this is not a pefect fit, but Mongol warfare was the original blitzkrieg, just substitute the mobility of the horses with tanks and arrows for close air support. Therefore, what Patton was doing was not haphazard but was a solid strategy. He was a great historian and used that knowledge on the batttlefield. You could say that Patton got it from Rommel, who got it from the Russian General (can't rememeber his name), who got it from studying the Mongols (who also wiped out most of Russia in the 13th Century.
A Mongel army could live off the land. A modern army can not. They must have supplies.
I did state that it was not a perfect analogy.
However, Patton’s tactics certainly would not have ground his army into meat.
One other thing - Subetai’s forces went around the Caspian Sea and not the Black Sea.
If he had taken the 3rd Army on a headlong charge across the Rhine with no flanking support, the Germans would have cut him to bits just as we did to the Germans at The Bulge. IMHO.
By August of 1944, it was time to stop and consolidate.
He could have also won the war much earlier. Subetai and Genghis would have approved....
Anyway, I guess we can agree to disagree on this one.
Hmmm?
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