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The Golden Age How Americans learned to stop worrying and love workplace drug testing
Reason Magazine ^ | March 2008 | Greg Beato

Posted on 03/12/2008 10:11:25 PM PDT by cryptical

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To: dfwgator

the funny thing is that when you go into Home depot and see the drug free workforce they have assembled it looks like they all were ex-addicts and drunks and to boot they provide the crappiest service anywhere. But they are Drug Free and that’s what counts.


21 posted on 03/13/2008 10:12:45 AM PDT by CJ Wolf (Let Freedom Ping List - Ron Paul - Ron Paul - Ron Paul - Join it.)
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To: metmom; Gabz

Qualifies for a Nanny State Ping? I think so. Anytime the gubmint wants to get in your pants.....

Posted early this morning. Threads like this are easy to over look but I think it deserves a look-see.


22 posted on 03/13/2008 11:56:58 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: traviskicks

Pee in a cup Ping for all the libs in your Libertarian ping list.


23 posted on 03/13/2008 11:59:16 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: ansel12

I’m not up to date with the latest racial breakdowns, but 8% of the white population is many more people than 9% of the black population.

Off the top of my head I’d guess there’s 5 or 6 times more whites than blacks in the US.


24 posted on 03/13/2008 1:49:53 PM PDT by cryptical ("The future is already here; it's just not evenly distributed." - William Gibson)
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To: cryptical
The only way to win the failed WO(s)D is to defund it.

It is a waste.
25 posted on 03/13/2008 1:54:54 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

***It’s a two-way street.***

No, its not.


26 posted on 03/13/2008 1:58:32 PM PDT by Lord_Calvinus
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To: cryptical

“I’m not up to date with the latest racial breakdowns, but 8% of the white population is many more people than 9% of the black population.”


So whites are under represented among drug users.


27 posted on 03/13/2008 2:14:56 PM PDT by ansel12 (Ronald W. Reagan and William F. Buckley Jr., both were U.S. Army veterans.)
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To: dfwgator
f I’m an employer why shouldn’t I know if employees/potential employees are using?

If you production is as good related industries and your workplace is as safe as related workplaces, why should you care?

Besides, you only catch people the have used cannabis. The other drugs leave the body post haste. Evidence of cannabis stays in the body and is detectable for a month after the use. That means that 718 hours after it has caused any effect whatsoever.

So, what would be the point?

28 posted on 03/13/2008 2:30:26 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: cryptical
This year, the federal government has earmarked $17.9 million to underwrite high school drug testing programs. That the government is extending the totalitarian, zero-tolerance perspective of the Drug Free Workplace Act of 1988 to our nation’s high schools makes perfectly symmetrical sense. After all, that simplistic edict took its ideological heart from a public policy initiative initially aimed at school kids, Nancy Reagan’s “Just Say No” campaign.

Well they won't be coming up here to Washington State. Our State Supreme Court just struck them down as being unconstitutional by State Constitution, which overrides any ruling of the Feds because it provides more protection than the 4th Amendment.

I guess there are some advantages to living in a liberal state, as modern conservatives generally despise the 4th Amendment.
29 posted on 03/13/2008 4:21:23 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Responsibility2nd; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; ...
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30 posted on 03/13/2008 5:20:58 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: ansel12; cryptical
So whites are under represented among drug users.

Percentage of users, yes. Number of users, no.

What is the dollar value of illegal drugs consumed by whites, and what for blacks, for hispanics, etc?

31 posted on 03/13/2008 6:05:40 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: ryan125
The war on drugs won’t be won until people have to take a drug test to receive a welfare check.

For example, the owners of taxpayer-built sports stadiums.

32 posted on 03/13/2008 6:14:48 PM PDT by secretagent
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“Percentage of users, yes. Number of users, no.”


Of course not, but comparing about 12% of the population to about 77 to 80% will just about always yield that result.


33 posted on 03/13/2008 6:27:11 PM PDT by ansel12 (Ronald W. Reagan and William F. Buckley Jr., both were U.S. Army veterans.)
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To: ansel12
Of course not, but comparing about 12% of the population to about 77 to 80% will just about always yield that result.

Usually, yes.

In this case, it wouldn't surprise me if whites accounted for. say, 80% of the illegal drug consumption, dollar-wise.

34 posted on 03/13/2008 7:11:47 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: secretagent

“In this case, it wouldn’t surprise me if whites accounted for. say, 80% of the illegal drug consumption, dollar-wise.”


I wouldn’t know and getting into wholesale versus retail, and various market prices for different markets, different products etc. seems like a challenging bit of research and pretty meaningless.


35 posted on 03/13/2008 7:22:47 PM PDT by ansel12 (Ronald W. Reagan and William F. Buckley Jr., both were U.S. Army veterans.)
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To: ansel12

Yes, difficult, but not meaningless when deciding whether or not white drug use “drives” the trade, demand-wise.


36 posted on 03/13/2008 7:33:36 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: dfwgator
"If I’m an employer why shouldn’t I know if employees/potential employees are using?"

It would be very apparent if an employee had a problem drug or alcohol habit, and they could be easily weeded out by the basic common sense workplace policies. As an employer, I would NEVER drug screen my employees. If someone shows up for work, does a great job, and is always sober on the job; I couldn't care less what they do on their own time away from work.

37 posted on 03/13/2008 7:36:20 PM PDT by KoRn (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: secretagent

If you want to post those numbers and why they matter then do, why do you keep bothering me with nothing.


38 posted on 03/13/2008 7:43:07 PM PDT by ansel12 (Ronald W. Reagan and William F. Buckley Jr., both were U.S. Army veterans.)
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To: ansel12; ehit88
Sorry, I thought you were disagreeing with ehit88's statement:

The drug trade is not mostly supported by ghetto folks scoring dope 5 or 10 dollars at a time, the real money comes from the middle-classers coming in from the suburbs with 100, 200 dollars at a time.

That might be a true statement, even though a higher percentage of "ghetto" people use illegal drugs. Correct?

39 posted on 03/13/2008 8:32:56 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: secretagent

If you want to post those numbers and why they matter then do, why do you keep bothering me with nothing.


40 posted on 03/13/2008 8:58:54 PM PDT by ansel12 (Ronald W. Reagan and William F. Buckley Jr., both were U.S. Army veterans.)
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