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A Debate McCain Should Want
The New York Sun ^ | March 12, 2008 | DANIEL FREEDMAN

Posted on 03/12/2008 5:03:14 PM PDT by Delacon

Pressure is quietly mounting on John McCain to support the idea of a nuclear-free world. It is being pushed primarily by former secretaries of state, and Senator McCain advisers, Henry Kissinger and George Shultz.

They are joined in their efforts by a bipartisan slate of eminent national security figures, including a former secretary of defense during the Clinton administration, William Perry, and a Democratic Party heavyweight, Sam Nunn. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have already signaled their support for the effort.

The Kissinger-Shultz argument says that in today's world where nuclear weapons are both becoming more dangerous and are being procured by rogue states — whose smaller arsenals and radical ideologies mean that the Cold War-era Mutually Assured Destruction calculation is unlikely to apply — it is far more likely that nuclear weapons will be used. Therefore, they argue, the only way to make the world safe is to remove all nuclear weapons. And so Messrs. Kissinger and Shultz support the introduction of new measures to get the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty back on track.

In other words, America is just as bad as Iran for having nuclear weapons. The argument assumes that the problem with nuclear weapons is not who has them, but having them in the first instance. If this logic is accepted, our efforts to disarm North Korea and Iran will become far more difficult. Such regimes will be able to demand more reasonably (they've already been using this argument) that they will only disarm when we fully disarm.

Equating the sheriff with the outlaw is a mistake. America's nuclear arsenal serves an important security function: Rogue regimes are unlikely to risk an altercation knowing that America can hit back much harder. Nuclear weapons in the right hands serve as a crucial deterrent.

(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: disarmament; mccain; nobama; nonproliferation; nuclear
"Pressure is quietly mounting on John McCain to support the idea of a nuclear-free world. It is being pushed primarily by former secretaries of state, and Senator McCain advisers, Henry Kissinger and George Shultz."

First I've heard of this going on. Once again, McCain might end up siding with his opponent on an important issue in the general election. The one thing that keeps rogue states from handing out nukes to terrorist groups like party favors is the fear we will figure out where one came from if it goes off and then turn said rogue state into a parking lot.

1 posted on 03/12/2008 5:03:15 PM PDT by Delacon
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To: Delacon
Gee...good thing McCain has that magical 'R' by his name to keep him from looking like the pansy liberal he is.

2 posted on 03/12/2008 5:04:52 PM PDT by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: Delacon

>> being pushed primarily by former secretaries of state, and Senator McCain advisers, Henry Kissinger and George Shultz

McCain is nearly senile.

Kissinger and Shultz, decidedly so.


3 posted on 03/12/2008 5:06:03 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (I'm not voting FOR John McCain -- I'm voting AGAINST Hillary/Obama)
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To: Delacon

In a world with a nuclear-armed China and Russia, this is madness.


4 posted on 03/12/2008 5:07:29 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Delacon

I don’t think McCain would fall for this one but then again it is just the kind of “no-cost” thing he likes to hang on his sleeve in order suck up to the liberals and the press.

~~worry~~


5 posted on 03/12/2008 5:12:40 PM PDT by GulfBreeze (There's little difference between those who are left running for GOP nod... a little but not much.)
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To: FreedomPoster

“In a world with a nuclear-armed China and Russia, this is madness.”

Kissinger and Schultz seem to think that those are the only two nuclear bad guys on the block still. We handled things 20 years ago when that was the case. Kissinger and Schultz are planning to fight the last war(the cold war).


6 posted on 03/12/2008 5:16:41 PM PDT by Delacon (“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H. L. Mencken)
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They are joined in their efforts by a bipartisan slate of eminent national security figures, including a former secretary of defense during the Clinton administration, William Perry...

Perry goes way back with McCain, too. He was the best man in McCain's wedding.

7 posted on 03/12/2008 5:24:53 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Delacon

Well, being McCain, he will cave to any silly leftist crap they can imagine. No doubt, he will say, “Yes, my friends”.


8 posted on 03/12/2008 5:31:29 PM PDT by alarm rider ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -)
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Pressure is quietly mounting on John McCain to support the idea of a nuclear-free world.

Conceptually, it's a great goal but, practically, it's a horrible policy that puts all of Anerica and the free world at risk.

There is an old story about Reagan and Gorbachev agreeing to destroy all of their nuclear weapons. After the US has destroyed all of theirs, Gorbachev discovered one more nuke that had been overlooked. When Reagan asks him if he will destroy it, Gorbachev replies "Make me!"

Trust . . . . . but verify!! And, don't fall for this liberal pacifist crapola!!

9 posted on 03/12/2008 5:37:24 PM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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Hush now! If McCain hears conservatives arguing against nuclear disarmament, he will sponsor a bill to do it. And for goodness sake, don’t let him hear you complaining about Obama wanting to do it.


10 posted on 03/12/2008 5:46:50 PM PDT by pallis
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To: calcowgirl

“Perry goes way back with McCain, too. He was the best man in McCain’s wedding.”

McCain was an usher at my folks wedding(no lie, Dad was an academy senior at the time). Doesn’t make me like his politics. Can’t speak for Dad.


11 posted on 03/12/2008 5:54:00 PM PDT by Delacon (“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H. L. Mencken)
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Correction, seniors cant marry. It was a year after he had graduated.


12 posted on 03/12/2008 5:56:42 PM PDT by Delacon (“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H. L. Mencken)
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When nukes are outlawed only criminals will have nukes.


13 posted on 03/12/2008 5:57:03 PM PDT by saminfl (,/i)
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I should have been clearer—I meant his 2nd marriage.
Gary Hart was also a groomsman.
But I got the Bill Perry mixed up with Bill Cohen (who succeeded Perry).
So, nevermind! LOL.

>>McCain filed for and obtained an uncontested divorce from his wife Carol in Florida on April 2, 1980. McCain and Hensley were married on May 17, 1980 in Phoenix, Arizona, with Senators William Cohen and Gary Hart as best man and groomsman. McCain’s children were upset with him and did not attend the wedding. (NYT)


14 posted on 03/12/2008 6:42:10 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Delacon

The argument assumes that the problem with nuclear weapons is not who has them, but having them in the first instance.
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Sort of like the gun argument. Take them all away and there won’t be any gun crime. Makes sense to me. Just look at the U.K, Australia and others. Look at the gun free zones where gun crime is now zero. /s

I’ll predict it now. We’ll see the use of a nuke by proxies of a rogue nation or a rogue nation itself within the next 10 years. I think we’ll see a day when we have to decide whether to allow our destruction or use any weapon at our disposal that will prevent that from happening. When that day comes, let’s hope there isn’t a Obama or Clinton in the Whitehouse.


15 posted on 03/12/2008 6:48:36 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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