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After all, who do you think a politician will invite into his congressional or White House office for a heart-to-heart — you or an Archer Daniels Midlands executive?
1 posted on 03/12/2008 11:25:06 AM PDT by JZelle
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I’ve been saying this about the ethanol scam for years, and getting roundly criticized by the alcoholics here on fr for saying it.


2 posted on 03/12/2008 11:27:55 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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The biggest boondoggle, farmer-vote-buying-giveaway, guvmint-supported, useless, scam, ever perpetrated on the gullible, ill-informed and ignorant public.
5 posted on 03/12/2008 11:35:36 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All)
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Ethanol contains water that distillation cannot remove.

I dunno 'bout that!.........

10 posted on 03/12/2008 11:41:37 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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EFB Ethanol Fraud Bump


11 posted on 03/12/2008 11:41:39 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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Let’s burn food product!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


14 posted on 03/12/2008 11:46:25 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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From first-hand experience, ethanol burns at roughly twice the rate of gasoline, and weighs considerably more per gallon.

In other words, putting ethanol in your car is considerably less economical, both because of the sheer inefficiency of burning ethanol and because of the added weight to your car bringing fuel mileage down even further.


16 posted on 03/12/2008 11:47:15 AM PDT by Tex Pete (Obama for Change: from our pockets, our piggy banks, and our couch cushions)
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But wait a minute, if we use only ethanol to produce the energy for manufacture and transport, and just grow more crops in support of this effort, we have created a perpetual motion system and energy will be free and plentiful, and all our farmers will be wealthy beyond the dreams of avarice, and then instead of subsidizing them, we can TAX TAX TAX them!!!! Terror will starve to death from lack of cash, the ice caps will return to their 10,000BC stages, and all will be right again with Gaia.
19 posted on 03/12/2008 11:48:11 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (There is a special place in Hell for Lyndon Johnson.)
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Somehow, the process of burning our food for fuel demonstrates the sorry state our society has come to.


24 posted on 03/12/2008 11:52:26 AM PDT by Obadiah
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Here is the answer explained better than I have ever seen:

http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis.asp


25 posted on 03/12/2008 11:52:27 AM PDT by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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With due respect to Dr. Williams, no one seriously believes that corn is a good feedstock for ethanol fuel. The focus is now on grasses and waste cellulose. In my opinion even that doesn’t make sense.


30 posted on 03/12/2008 11:55:47 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the hippies.)
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-Joan

32 posted on 03/12/2008 11:57:10 AM PDT by JoanVarga ("¿Por qué no te calles?")
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Make ethanol from switchgrass instead of corn.

“Test plots of switchgrass at Auburn University have produced up to 15 tons of dry biomass per acre, and five- year yields average 11.5 tons—enough to make 1,150 gallons of ethanol per acre each year.”
http://bioenergy.ornl.gov/papers/misc/switgrs.html


34 posted on 03/12/2008 11:57:31 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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Gasoline for burnin’. Ethanol for sippin’.


36 posted on 03/12/2008 11:59:34 AM PDT by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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"In fact, there's a double tax — one in ethanol subsidies and another in handouts to corn farmers to the tune of $9.5 billion in 2005 alone."

There are other taxes: 1. Higher food prices 2. Lower gas mileage 3. Ethanol blends may have a deteriorating effect on the rubber components of an engine. It is time we conclude that we have been taken for a ride with this bogus fuel. The only way to go is Algae derived diesel. Where is my popcorn?

38 posted on 03/12/2008 12:03:48 PM PDT by jonrick46
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Don’t know which is the biggest scam. Human caused global warming or ethanol. They both will kill our economy.


40 posted on 03/12/2008 12:05:30 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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How can I get my pints of ethonal subsidized? After all, the gooberment taxes me more to give to subsides farmers to keep their prices higher, and the gooberment taxes me more, again, to pay poor people money to by food that has been increased in cost by the gooberment. ( Actually, I get taxed even more for gyms to burn off the fat, supposedly, diabetes, kidney dialysis, scooters, disability payments)

Anyways, I want a food stamp card for beer! The gooberment is putting me into a beer poverty state and I want help!

Beer drinkers unite!

44 posted on 03/12/2008 12:17:01 PM PDT by Leisler
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We are in the Ethanol Recession.
Ethanol is driving up the cost of everything, particularly food and fuel, and squandering our natural resources.


49 posted on 03/12/2008 12:21:20 PM PDT by counterpunch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs)
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Ethanol is but one more example of what happens when Government gets involved in most anything. Counting only the main subsidies, not including many state subsidies, ethanol gets at least a 7 billion dollar subsidy every year. That is 5 or more Fischer-Tropsch plants we could have been building every year.

We have 40 times more energy potential in coal than oil in this country and we have single states that have more potential in coal than the Saudis have in oil. We can rid ourselves of all the turmoil and insanity in the Middle East and become energy independent in a short time frame just by using FT. Scientists at Rutgers and UNC have made significant improvements on the process and produce a fuel that burns cleaner than gasoline as well as getting a yield from most of the coal.

Shut ethanol subsidies down and let’s address this situation realistically and make choices that will meet our energy needs and get us headed towards energy independence. In the interim all the alternative fuels can be discovered or perfected. Let’s put corn back on the table and into peoples bellies, where it belongs. Don’t fall for the switchgrass option either. It has to be grown somewhere, the material has to be harvested and transported by someone to a processing plant somewhere. A lot of energy expended for gains that are low yield.


54 posted on 03/12/2008 12:26:48 PM PDT by WildcatClan (Shut up about bootblacking! I like bootblacking, I like it very much.)
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Don't pour the ethanol down the gutter just yet. Another FR thread recently reported that trash-based ethanol, as opposed to corn-based ethanol, may be on the horizon.
Trash-based ethanol
Ethanol may ultimately prove to be the lesser evil where the only alternative is expensive foreign oil.
57 posted on 03/12/2008 12:41:29 PM PDT by Amendment10
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Others too remember Hadacol the miracle product that swept the country decades ago. The cure all that is today Ethanol!

Made you feeeeeeeeeel real good and could do wonders! Better than Hadacol -- Ethanol makes your car feeeeeeeel good too! (You are driving a three-door Liberal, aren't you?)

. . . a distinguished woman [declared], "Three months ago I couldn't read or write, but after only a few bottles of Hadacol, I am now teaching school."

See also here

58 posted on 03/12/2008 12:52:26 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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