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The Veepstakes: There's an obvious winner
The Weekly Standard ^ | The March 17, 2008 Edition | Fred Barnes, Executive Editor

Posted on 03/12/2008 3:08:10 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The majority of the Freeper Nation seems impervious to objective assessment.

Objective assessment is NOT about “Who have I liked all along that didn’t make it to the top of the ticket?”!!!!

Objective assessment IS about:
Who would garner the most votes NATIONALLY?
Who can bring the most money to the campaign NATIONALLY?


61 posted on 03/12/2008 4:31:41 AM PDT by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

This is basically a redo of 2000. To win the White House we have to win Florida. The logical choice is Frist.


62 posted on 03/12/2008 4:33:19 AM PDT by 70th Division (If we loose the Republic we have lost it all.)
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To: 70th Division

I don’t want McCain to win.


63 posted on 03/12/2008 4:36:27 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fred will be the man and will come out with guns blazing in full attack anti lethargy mode. When he begins to eradicate the Democrats, the Presidential nominee and the congress, the previous perception will evaporate.


64 posted on 03/12/2008 4:37:20 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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To: G Larry
Who would garner the most votes NATIONALLY? Who can bring the most money to the campaign NATIONALLY?

Romney would be batting .500 there. Instead of getting a lousy candidate - lousy in terms of whether he's electable - who has to pay ten thousand per new vote, why not just pick a good conservative to mollify - nay - enthrall and encourage the base enough to bring in the donations?

65 posted on 03/12/2008 4:40:41 AM PDT by MitchellC (Put a Freeper in Congress! Freepmail me to join the John Armor for Congress ping list)
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To: MitchellC

Ya!!!!!!

McCain should pick an ultra-conservative, who is capable of gathering another 2% of the National vote, so that the purists on FR will be happy....../sarc

Duncan Hunter and Sam Brownback reflect MY ideas of a conservative politician, but I’m not so ignorant as to believe either is capable of bringing a sufficient number of votes to the Republican ticket.


66 posted on 03/12/2008 4:48:16 AM PDT by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: bert
I would love it if Fred were the VP, but I think there are problems with that. McCain and Fred would be comedy fodder for Leno, SNL et al day in and day out. And Fred likely isn't going to be up to running for the top slot again in 8 years.

That said, I think it would still be McCain and Fred's election to lose. I've thought for a while that they were the two most, or two only, electable Republicans running. I suspect McCain will prove it by crushing Obama like it's 72/84 again.

67 posted on 03/12/2008 4:48:53 AM PDT by MitchellC (Put a Freeper in Congress! Freepmail me to join the John Armor for Congress ping list)
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To: MitchellC

IIRC McCain has limited himself to one term.


68 posted on 03/12/2008 4:53:27 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.fourfriedchickensandacoke.blogspot.com)
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To: G Larry
I’m not so ignorant as to believe either is capable of bringing a sufficient number of votes to the Republican ticket.

And Mitt Romney is? Come on. McCain won't be that desperate for cash.

69 posted on 03/12/2008 4:53:34 AM PDT by MitchellC (Put a Freeper in Congress! Freepmail me to join the John Armor for Congress ping list)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t think it’s so much as what they have against him, at this point. I think it’s more of a lack of confidence in Fred.

And, let’s be honest, Fred did very little to assuage that position. As much as I believed in that man, I have to say, he was a terrible disappointment as a candidate.

If he could cut n’ run, so easily, in the race for the nomination before even super Tuesday, how much intestinal fortitude would he have as VeeP or, if needed, as POTUS?

In that he still hasn’t come out publicly and explained his reasons for dropping out, let alone given me, you, US, the respect and acknowledgment of the customary...”Thank you for your support, you worked so hard, but...” speech, is a real slap in the face and speaks volumes about his suitability for the office, to me.

Sorry, just tryin’ to keep it real...


70 posted on 03/12/2008 4:54:54 AM PDT by papasmurf (I'm not worried anymore. I read Obama's "Blueprint for Change".)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I never saw anything that substantiated that. It would be fine by me, of course.


71 posted on 03/12/2008 4:55:32 AM PDT by MitchellC (Put a Freeper in Congress! Freepmail me to join the John Armor for Congress ping list)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t think it’s so much as what they have against him, at this point. I think it’s more of a lack of confidence in Fred.

And, let’s be honest, Fred did very little to assuage that position. As much as I believed in that man, I have to say, he was a terrible disappointment as a candidate.

If he could cut n’ run, so easily, in the race for the nomination before even super Tuesday, how much intestinal fortitude would he have as VeeP or, if needed, as POTUS?

In that he still hasn’t come out publicly and explained his reasons for dropping out, let alone given me, you, US, the respect and acknowledgment of the customary...”Thank you for your support, you worked so hard, but...” speech, is a real slap in the face and speaks volumes about his suitability for the office, to me.

Sorry, just tryin’ to keep it real...


72 posted on 03/12/2008 4:56:41 AM PDT by papasmurf (I'm not worried anymore. I read Obama's "Blueprint for Change".)
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To: ARE SOLE

and
1996: Voted in favor of H.R. 2202 (Immigration Control and Financial Responsibility Act of 1996) to reduce rewards for illegal immigration Rep. Sanford voted in favor of H.R. 2202 that denied illegal aliens in-state tuition, in addition to almost all forms of federal welfare.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h1996-89


73 posted on 03/12/2008 4:57:34 AM PDT by ari-freedom (McCain must pick a conservative VP if he wants conservative support)
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To: MitchellC

Yes!
Mitt Romney IS capable of bringing a sufficient number of votes to get McCain elected.

What is so difficult about objectively assessing national politics?

Who was running the strongest behind McCain?
(No!...Not who was the most stubborn?...but who was getting the most votes?)


74 posted on 03/12/2008 4:59:42 AM PDT by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
IIRC McCain has limited himself to one term.

No, what he said was that he would set an agenda to try to get most of what he wanted in one term. The question of a second term is open.

75 posted on 03/12/2008 5:04:02 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: ichabod1

Finally, someone speaking to the reality of the situation.


76 posted on 03/12/2008 5:05:47 AM PDT by papasmurf (I'm not worried anymore. I read Obama's "Blueprint for Change".)
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To: G Larry
Is that really the best case for Mitt? That he ran second in the vote count? Look at his one major win, in Michigan - where he spent oceans of cash, he had local cred because his father was a pretty popular governor, and he pretty much promised to end the state's economic woes.

All in all, I don't think Mitt would help the ticket. McCain needs someone the base believes is honestly conservative enough - not necessarily "ultra-conservative," mind you. There's a reason that conservatives went to Huckabee and Thompson in droves instead of following all the shiny, pretty ads on TV telling them Mitt was one of them.

77 posted on 03/12/2008 5:10:05 AM PDT by MitchellC (Put a Freeper in Congress! Freepmail me to join the John Armor for Congress ping list)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I was a Fred Head ...but if you don’t understand WHY he would be a bad choice to be McCain’s running mate I’ll paint you a picture in two words: (1) age, (2) cancer.


78 posted on 03/12/2008 5:15:31 AM PDT by lonestar
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To: MitchellC

Surprise!!!
Yes!
That he ran second in the vote count is ALL that matters!

There is NO OTHER unit of measure that places a candidate in the White House!


79 posted on 03/12/2008 5:15:46 AM PDT by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: lonestar

Former Gov Frank Keating’s name came up once but I have not heard it lately. He might be a very good choice also, and he has an impressive resume. He was high on Bush’s list in 2000.


80 posted on 03/12/2008 5:19:11 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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