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To: Rick.Donaldson

Let me just say one other thing. The guy was speeding, deserved a ticket, got one.. but getting zapped by the taser was just the cop’s way of punishing the man.

That he refused to sign the ticket isn’t the cop’s problem... he had the fact that he handed the ticket to the guy on camera and on tape. That was SUFFICIENT and he would have been better off letting the guy go on his way.

His act was outrageous. The speeder wasn’t threatening the cop, merely refusing to sign a stupid ticket. I don’t have to SIGN anything, I don’t HAVE to put my signature on ANY piece of paper I don’t want to. No one can FORCE you to sign something - that is called DURESS and putting a law on the books to MAKE you sign something is nothing more than the government yet again, forcing it’s will on individuals.

So don’t tell me the cop wasn’t in the wrong. he WAS

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Bullshit. Sorry for the profanity but its fitting here. The driver got out of his vehicle and followed the cop to his patrol car. Big no, no. The driver was animated and in a heated anger. An inexcusable action sending all the wrong signals to the officer. The driver refused reasonable orders by the cop to ensure both their safety. BIG, BIG TIME no, no.

What was the cop to do, wait till he was knifed, hit, shot, spit upon before defending himself? He had no idea what type of mental stability this driver had and took appropriate action.

The driver is culpable in his own tasering. Both times. That may seem harsh, but he should never, never, never have gotten out of his car and followed the cop to his patrol car in a heated rage. This in the cop’s training, and rightly so, rasied the stakes of a dangerous and possible life or limb threatening situation. And all over a STUPID SPEEDING TICKET.

I’m with the cop, fully on his side. I want my law enforcement officers to know that they can do their job and not worry about living to see the next day.


14 posted on 03/11/2008 8:24:16 AM PDT by navymom1 (Freedom is Talk Radio. Defeat the Fairness Doctrine.)
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To: navymom1
Let me just say one other thing. The guy was speeding, deserved a ticket, got one.. but getting zapped by the taser was just the cop’s way of punishing the man.

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The speeder was not under arrest or threatened with arrest prior to the tazing. The speeder was not being violent or threatening in any way. Since he was not under arrest he had the right to leave the scene any time. He had a ticket that is all, it isn't a broken law it is a violation of a regulation. Speeding 21 mph over the limit will not put you in jail it Will simply get you a fine, you don't punish with potential lethal force and painful at that for a regulation violation.

The cop could have warned the speeder that if he didn't get back in his car he would be under arrest but didn't do that. The cop was mad because the guy wouldn't sign the ticket, he even told the speeder that that was why he was tazed and the cop also told the wife the same thing, that is what cost him the $40,000.00. I hope the cop either gets fired or gets some intensive sensitivity training.

Cops are people, not special people. They serve the public, the speeder is part of the public and the public should be treated with respect and dignity.

When the copy couldn't get the signature he should have let it go instead of getting the guy out of the car.

The cop was an a—hole. I have a son that is a cop and he would be the first to agree with me.

33 posted on 03/11/2008 8:46:15 AM PDT by JAKraig (Joseph Kraig)
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To: navymom1

What was the cop to do, wait till he was knifed, hit, shot, spit upon before defending himself?


So he merely defended himself in advance?

ROFL.


36 posted on 03/11/2008 8:49:50 AM PDT by kenth
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To: navymom1
"but he should never, never, never have gotten out of his car and followed the cop to his patrol car in a heated rage."

He had no choice. According to the article, Gardner ORDERED Massey out of his car.

"Massey refused to sign a speeding ticket and argued with Gardner, who ordered Massey out of the car."
52 posted on 03/11/2008 9:09:51 AM PDT by monday
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To: navymom1
The driver got out of his vehicle and followed the cop to his patrol car. Big no, no.

The cop told him to exit the vehicle.

But, I am still on the cops side on this one. The guy was a jerk, argumentative, refused to follow instructions, etc. etc.

Great example to his kids as well.

53 posted on 03/11/2008 9:15:38 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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To: navymom1

Out of curiosity, have you seen the video?

“Heated rage” ? Yes, he got out of his car and walked toward the officer. But his expression and demeanor suggested confusion and bewilderment, not rage.


82 posted on 03/11/2008 10:11:23 AM PDT by ivyleaguebrat
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To: navymom1
"That may seem harsh, but he should never, never, never have gotten out of his car and followed the cop to his patrol car in a heated rage."

The officer asked him to step out of his vehicle and come back to the patrol car. Unbeknownst to the driver, the officer was doing this in order to get the driver out from behind the wheel and back between the vehicles so he could initiate the arrest. Not sure what part of police training says he should turn his back on the person he intends to arrest but he was acting way too casual to deal with somebody in a "heated rage".

"Heated rage" is a little too strong for what we saw on the video, don't you think?

91 posted on 03/11/2008 10:50:52 AM PDT by Hatteras
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