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City bans garbage disposal units (includes fine of up to $25,000 a day - Raleigh, NC)
Politicom ^ | 3/08/08

Posted on 03/09/2008 8:11:49 AM PDT by Libloather

City bans garbage disposal units

Residents of Raleigh, N.C., face stiff penalties if they install garbage disposal units in their kitchen sinks or repair existing ones if they break.

The City Council approved the ban on Wednesday, the Raleigh Chronicle reports. The ordinance includes a fine of up to $25,000 a day.

Officials said that anyone caught with an illegal disposal unit could also face a lifetime ban on getting city water. The ban covers several municipalities around Raleigh.

The garbage disposal units, which grind up leftover food and flush it into the sewer system, lead to pipes clogged with grease. That can lead to sewage overflowing into streams or ponds.

Raleigh residents are urged to collect grease in an old can or jar, allow it to harden and put it in the trash.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: ban; californication; commonsense; disposal; garbage; garbagedisposals; nannystate; raleigh
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To: Old Professer
“Got your own Brownfield going on, eh?”

Brownfield? Tater peels dumped in the woods makes toxic waste?

121 posted on 03/09/2008 10:26:31 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Old Professer
A good practice to follow is to flush the drains with baking soda followed by white vinegar once each month.

Great minds think alike: My mother just finished telling me that she uses the baking soda every month in her drain.

She says she would *never* put grease down a drain. She knows from experience how expensive it is to have to replace a septic tank drain field that has become clogged with grease.

Yes grease does reach the septic field, once the tank fills up and the grease layer at the top of the tank is thick -- I had my tank repaired a few years back. It was very close to clogging the drain field.

And that's just pan-wash of grease. So grease makes it past the sink traps.

In a public sewer system the grease will collect at pipe restrictions, baffles, and turns especially where the point is cold enough to turn liquid grease into a wax.

122 posted on 03/09/2008 10:34:29 AM PDT by bvw
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To: B4Ranch
In 10 years, it’ll probably be the norm and everyone will accept it.

Let's hope not. It's great for people to think smart about how they dispose of things. But threatening a $25,000 fine per day and a lifetime ban on receiving city water is ridiculous. This is Big Brother with a BIG stick. What's next on that list of gov't fines in Raleigh?
123 posted on 03/09/2008 10:37:27 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Kay Ludlow
Whoa, you do want the efflux of a sewage plant to be clean water, right? I mean the connect it to the potable water water system clean.

Or do you want the Ganges? Or some Mexican river?

Yes it may be what you say -- that this is Raleigh's way of getting effluent numbers under the stricter regulations. But the stricter regulations are helpful, although not without good questioning.

Me, I like a glass of cool clean water. That's why I like my well!

124 posted on 03/09/2008 10:39:56 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
Why not install a grease trap like the restaurants?
125 posted on 03/09/2008 10:40:11 AM PDT by DaveArk
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To: tioga

http://www.sandiego.gov/environmental-services/recycling/ro/residential/index.shtml


126 posted on 03/09/2008 10:40:11 AM PDT by acoulterfan
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Regarding your 97, count me in on the fun!


127 posted on 03/09/2008 10:41:05 AM PDT by theymakemesick (The war on drugs benefits government agencies, politicians and drug dealers, they don't want to win.)
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To: Girlene

I agree the big fine obviously begs a big backlash! But that backlash is itself more PR. From some comments on this thread it’s clear that the general public knowledge of what happens past the sink drain is lacking.


128 posted on 03/09/2008 10:42:28 AM PDT by bvw
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To: acoulterfan

Look at these enforcement procedures. They are hiring trash and recycling inspectors:

http://www.sandiego.gov/environmental-services/recycling/ro/enforcement.shtml


129 posted on 03/09/2008 10:44:47 AM PDT by acoulterfan
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To: adorno
I learned my lesson last fall when I had to fork over some $ 250 to a plumber to clean out my plumbing under my sink and way deep underground. I'm pretty sure that what clogged my home plumbing also could clog the pipes under the city.

Exactly. That's why this is a stupid law. Homeowners are going to be stuck with big plumbing bills long before the city. They're looking for a legal solution to a market problem.

130 posted on 03/09/2008 10:46:08 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: tioga

I think I’d just have to throw my trash on the mayor’s and city council’s lawn every week. Does your garbage man really do a trash inspection on his route?


131 posted on 03/09/2008 10:48:07 AM PDT by theymakemesick (The war on drugs benefits government agencies, politicians and drug dealers, they don't want to win.)
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To: adorno

Really you can use your disposal for food waste...bacon yes...a frying panload of bacon grease no. The remnants of your cheeseburger ok...the grease that drips out of the George Forman nope. Pour it into a can, let it harden then throw it away (but wrap it in a bag first so the recycling police dont come after you.)


132 posted on 03/09/2008 10:50:32 AM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (Yoi. And double yoi.)
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To: Old Professer; bvw

“Grease in your wastelines rarely make it much farther than the stand pipe to which an ordinary P-trap is plumbed at the wall under the sink; 90% of kitchen drain problems trace the plug to this point and can be simply cleaned with hand tools.”


I don’t know where the 90% figure comes from, but in my experience the majority of kitchen drain stoppages seem to be at the san-tee where the kitchen drain joins the main, that is where the calcification is the worst.

I always clear a drain from under the kitchen sink, avoiding the clean-out if there is one. I rarely find anything in the p-trap but it does give me a chance to examine the tee in the wall and chip out some of the calcification if it needs it, sometimes the stoppage is close like you said, but usually it is that last turn at the main.

No matter where the stoppage is, I definitely snake all the way through the entire kitchen drain into the main.


133 posted on 03/09/2008 10:51:27 AM PDT by ansel12 (Ronald W. Reagan and William F. Buckley Jr., both were U.S. Army veterans.)
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To: acoulterfan

I am going to assume that you are serious in asking this question. When the pan is hot, pour the oil into a coffee can or something similar. When the can is 3/4 full, put a lid on it and toss it in the garbage.

Grease or oil will not freely pass through a drainage system without leaving traces of it in the pipes. Continue the habit long enough and you’ll eventually plug the pipes.

If you want to put on a green coat, save the oil until winter. Put it outside in the cold and let it harden. Press seeds into it. Then wrap it around a piece of rope and hang it in a tree for the birds. This won’t work if you live in SoCal, too warm.


134 posted on 03/09/2008 10:51:46 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." FDR)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Are they allowed to flush toilets?

Any limits on flushing or using the toilets?

Or toilet paper used when using toilet paper?

You see where I'm going ... .

135 posted on 03/09/2008 10:54:06 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: theymakemesick

Thankfully, no. He is a private business man and would lose a lot of biz if he pulled that stuff.


136 posted on 03/09/2008 10:54:46 AM PDT by tioga (Beware: conservative with back to the wall. Proceed with extreme caution.)
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To: B4Ranch

“I am going to assume that you are serious in asking this question”

It is a theoretical question only. I NEVER put anything greasy down my pipes. I use glass jars or cans. I never fry anything, LOL! But with San Diego City’s new ordinance linked above I stand the chance of a code enforcement officer finding a can or jar in my regular trash and I will be fined. Guess I will have to resort to zip lock bags!


137 posted on 03/09/2008 10:56:27 AM PDT by acoulterfan
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To: adorno
I'm not a liberal, but there is some truth to the problems with the use of garbage disposers.

OK, lets set the record straight, you can pour grease down any sink, it's just not smart. Grease "Sets" up when cooled and it's sticky, so other "Stuff" gets caught in it. soon you have a clog. Drain-O and other "Clog busters" generally produce heat through a chemical reaction that will cause the grease to melt and let the water pressure behind it break the clog.

Pouring grease down the drain is dumb.

Garbage disposals grind up stuff like potato peels. This food would otherwise go into land fills, and essentially be lost. Garbage disposals put that into the sewage system and this biodegradable waste product is recycled with everything else.

Garbage disposals are "Green" because they don't fill up land fills with things that could be recycled, they are not a black hole into which just anything should be thrown. (My room mate who tried to get rid of some glass by putting it in the disposal comes to mind.)

Some tips for those with Garbage disposals:
chicken bones are good for it, they actually sharpen the blades, anything harder will probably just have to be fished out later.
Ice cubes are a garbage disposals friend too, fill the disposal with ice, turn on some cold water and run the disposal, it will crush the ice, clean the blades and if you put enough ice down it fast enough, it will clean the pipes for a ways (Cold = Solidified grease + Solid pieces of ice = grease scraped off the inside of the pipes and carried down stream)
Last tip, it you are doing something with lemons, save a half after juicing and drop into the disposal (without turning it on), the acid keeps bacteria from forming and it smells nice too.

The people in the city council are just ignorant, oh wait they are liberals, so that was redundant...
138 posted on 03/09/2008 10:57:11 AM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser

BUMP!


139 posted on 03/09/2008 11:02:13 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: bvw

Congealed fats are mostly the result of meat wastes; vegetable oils will not congeal as readily as lard, suet and tallows.

Established communities of any great duration are full of old wastelines that have sclerotic pipes from iron oxidiation and clay-pipe decay.

The worse this condition gets, the more clogging from greases and fibrous waste becomes.

Everything needs maintenance and eventual replacement.


140 posted on 03/09/2008 11:05:11 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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