Posted on 03/08/2008 7:56:08 PM PST by The_Republican
A longtime Republican district fell to the Democrats Saturday when a wealthy businessman and scientist snatched former House Speaker Dennis Hastert's congressional seat in a closely watched special election. Democrat Bill Foster won 52 percent of the vote compared to 48 percent for Republican Jim Oberweis. With 565 of 568 precincts reporting, Foster had 51,140 votes to Oberweis' 46,270.
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OMG... here we go its all Bush’s fault... Please you are Bush and Bush is you.
Exactly, well said. This district wanted change, they had had enough of Hastert and anyone connected to him.
Democrats: Turning America into a second-rate power and third-world country in four years.
The worst thing Bush has done is to associate conservatism with liberalism. He's tried to compete with the Dems on spending programs. He's adopted Woodrow Wilson's foreign policy. He's crusaded for amnesty for illegals. He's created an atmosphere where the nation's most prominent RINO has won the GOP nomination.
Sorry but this is just bad advice.
To fight your enemy you must know what they are planning and how they are running their propaganda
Oh give me a break please...
Context the Bush Presidency with reality please.
1. Inherited Recession, worldcom/Enron Collapses, 911, Global War on Terror, Katrina, housing bubble.
None of those are his FAULT (as the idiot rats like to do) but Any one of those things could have thrown this country into a greater depression. If you have stood in a bread line, sent your kids to bed hungry and/or truly wanted for anything in the last 7 years then you can bitch about him otherwise stfu.
Many also had a strong social conservative aspect to their campaigns and as a result lost the independents who often make the difference in close campaigns.
These are indeed the two primary issues where I and the Conservative wing have had problems. I see them as not being part of the "Original" Conservative ideology and added more recently, or perhaps it's better said "moved to the forefront" of the campaigns.
This move should have been done with more subtle tone, and it would not have become so divisive. I don't necessarily disagree with some of the intent, but the methods often suck politically. It created national agitation where voters are voting against republicans, not for their party and at the same time, many in the party have completely lost any interest in it, and are now sitting on the sidelines with their money and their support. A few have gone to the other side but that's not the major damage. The damage is in the perception of the party as a whole and caused the leadership to become invalidated.
This often happens in a party that reached it's goals, and is nothing new, but it was preventable.
I warned about this, as far back as 2004. It's a shame, but it is what it is. It will correct it's self when there is once again a common goal to achieve, and only then. It will take a period of time with a Rat controlled Congress and the resulting damage done. Perhaps even a major incident. But it will reverse eventually as the pendulum swings back.
Amen!
But that is not what happened, is it?
Well then, you’ll just need to do some tall talking to the folks YOU know between now and November. Many people CAN be made to see the light, if we only took time to talk seriously with them and point out how the media is wrong, and what the Democrats have in store for this country. If all they get is the media spin, what else ARE they supposed to believe?
If conservatives were yearning for a true conservative candidate, Duncan Hunter would have been our nominee. If every Freeper who lovingly wrote about Hunter or Fred Thompson went out and actualy wrote a check to them and voted for them, we wouldn’t be having this argument.
As I see it, conservatives - and I include myself - have no one to blame but ourselves for that.
I am a conservative. And I’m smart enough to know that getting some conservative measures passed is better than none at all. McCain gets strong marks on abortion and Iraq. He’s voted against W’s horrific prescription bill boondoggle. He’s the only candidate who seems to understand how important global trading is for this economy. His ideas for health care follow conservative principles, relying on free market solutions.
GOD IS IN CONTROL. Nothing will happen that’s outside of his divine plan for our country, no matter who is in there. If our nation is lost, then we need to go to God and pray for America. God still has a plan for America but we need to pray. Being negative does not help, dear Flyer.
In other words, I listed several things Bush has done which have led to the GOP decline. We'll call that List X.
You responded by citing a number of events during the Bush presidency, which we'll call List Z: Inherited Recession, worldcom/Enron Collapses, 911, Global War on Terror, Katrina, housing bubble.
How are any of those events you listed related to the Bush policies I referred to in List X? For example, was Bush forced by the events you listed (List Z) to support the prescription drug plan or the No Child Left Behind Act? Was he forced by 9/11 or the War on Terror to seek to turn every nation on earth into a pluralistic democracy (notwithstanding the fact that 9/11 and the London subway bombings took place in pluralistic democracies)? Did Katrina compel him to support amnesty for illegal aliens?
Specify cause and effect, please.
If you have stood in a bread line, sent your kids to bed hungry and/or truly wanted for anything in the last 7 years then you can bitch about him otherwise stfu.
No, I will not stfu.
Actually, the GOP decline is mostly centered in states where the Republicans are "moderate". The party is practically dead in California under Arnold and in the Northeast under assorted RINO leadership.
But that is not what happened, is it?
We actually have quite a bit of history to support the proposition that the GOP sinks whenever it moves to the supposed center.
If so, it means our electorate is too stupid to know who is screwing (sorry that's the most appropriate word I can think of right now) them. Democrats are our enemies. Republicans are our only hope.
Look. I'm no spring chicken. I've been around many years and I've never seen a year when the issues are any more easily defined than this year. We've been given a great big gift. Usually it's difficult to explain conservative principles but not this year.
We have these RATS where we want them. We must spring the trap.
Where are you going?
I worked with his nephew........The most arrogant. condescending, cheap, nasty person I ever met. Wonder if his uncle was similar.
After Hastert defended William Jefferson, D-LA, I realized I no long had any use for the GOP.
A preview of November, no doubt.
Many rational people prefer to face reality and recognize they have no dog in the coming fight. Conservatives have lost regardless of who is elected in November.
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