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To: ExSoldier

Ah, but ... who is “Big Mack”?

Oh, we know the power that can be brought to bear on ... who? where?

Even if identified, is the collateral damage tolerable? We’re not talking strangers in a strange land, we’re talking your neighbors harmed for a political agenda. Razing a neighborhood to get a “FMCDH” type will stop awfully quick once the votes & tax money sources get outraged.

Oh, sure, the occupants of Waco and Ruby Ridge didn’t stand a chance. Most of ‘em didn’t make it; many who did regret it.
Yet ... that kind of overwhelming force was never applied again for another 15 years until NOLA/Katrina - and that came to a screeching halt when those who remembered reminded those who didn’t.

Is he one of, say, 18,000,000 deer hunters with, er, suitable equipment? Need I say more?

How about those not vocal enough to post publicly?

Are you familiar with the terms...
“Phyrric victory”?
“Unintended Consequences”?
“Feed the hogs”?
“S^3”?


49 posted on 03/10/2008 10:57:26 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: ctdonath2
Even if identified, is the collateral damage tolerable? We’re not talking strangers in a strange land, we’re talking your neighbors harmed for a political agenda. Razing a neighborhood to get a “FMCDH” type will stop awfully quick once the votes & tax money sources get outraged.

During Katrina the folks who performed most of the seizures weren't the local cops although they did too. I'm ashamed to say I have a few distant kinfolk among that group. But the ones who busted in doors and body slammed 85 year old grannies in front of a CNN camera crew (I saw this video) were brought in from out of state to assist. They were guardsment from Illinois and California. Both states where strict gun control already exists and for them the mission seemed reasonable and logical. Many said they felt like they were on patrol in Iraq but realizing it was their own country made them "uncomfortable." But they still did as they were ordered. Votes and tax money will have zero impact when the orders are from a national source or high state source backed by national authority and when the soldiers are also from out of state.

51 posted on 03/10/2008 12:50:49 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ctdonath2
Oh, sure, the occupants of Waco and Ruby Ridge didn’t stand a chance. Most of ‘em didn’t make it; many who did regret it. Yet ... that kind of overwhelming force was never applied again for another 15 years until NOLA/Katrina - and that came to a screeching halt when those who remembered reminded those who didn’t.

Whoa! If you think either Ruby Ridge or Waco was an example of overwhelming force application you're dead wrong! Those were prime examples of typical government restraint and administrative SNAFUs!

Overwhelming military force is when they prep their "no-knock" raid with mortars or they show up at your fence line with tanks and keep coming until they've been thru your home and out the other fence with armor. As I said, you can't hold off a force like that for even a little while.

Is he one of, say, 18,000,000 deer hunters with, er, suitable equipment? Need I say more?

You need to say a lot more. Those 18,000,000 deer hunters are going to roll over and show their bellies while whimpering (bleating?) P-P-PLEASE don't hurt me or my family! And then they are not only going to turn over their rifles they'll turn IN all their friends and neighbors. How do I know? I've been watching this agenda take root in the public schools for 25 years and have been actively fighting it for 18 in those same schools.

Yes, I'm quite familiar with all of those terms. Familiar enough to know that they no longer apply to the US population today or for the near future unless there is some dramatic educational reform which looks like AIN'T gonna happen, at least from this teacher's viewpoint. I teach in the 4th largest school district in the nation, so we are definitely a bell weather for the rest of the country.

59 posted on 03/10/2008 3:04:24 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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