The Aztec and Mayan cultures. The ones that would routinely tear the still beating hearts out of a couple thousand people in an otherwise boring afternoon. Do you know nothing of history?
It wasn’t the bible they were preaching but a godless account of earth evetns- which incidently is secular and had nothign to do with hte bible
Wow. You assert that the Church was secular? You assert that their strict belief in the creation accounts in Genesis weren't Bible based? I'm beginning to suspect that reality based meaningful discussion is impossible with you.
Sure it does, when it sticks to pure science and doesn’t go wandering off in never never land claiming all kinds of unproven and scientifically impossible scenarios-
OK. Put up or shut up. Either support this current statement with the chapter and verse where the Bible says that the earth is the center of the universe, or revert to your statement in post # 284: "I donm’t take a stand on this one way or hte other as there are controversies about hte situation that are ongoing- sdecondly, I’m not aweare that bible states that we are the center, " Pick one. You do not get to pee on my head and tell me it's raining.
Galilaeo gave his opinion- nothign more-
The objective fact that anyone can see that Jupiter has its own moons isn't an opinion. The objective fact that anyone can see that the earth's moon is not a perfect celestial sphere is not an opinion. You have confirmed in my mind that rational conversation between us is impossible. You sincerely believe that facts that disagree with you are opinions, and that opinions you agree with are facts.
I stand by what I said.
Which time? The time you said the Earth is the center of the Universe? Or the time you said it isn't?
I’ll look more into that tomorrow- I beleive it was traced back to possible sources- some in Africa, perhaps in asia- the africa one i beleive has fallen out of favour due to some anomilies if I remember right.
I'm still interested in that data. I seriously doubt that we will ever converge on what it says, though.
[[Which time? The time you said the Earth is the center of the Universe? Or the time you said it isn’t?]]
I never stated either case- let’s keep it intellectually honest, shall we?
[[The Aztec and Mayan cultures. The ones that would routinely tear the still beating hearts out of a couple thousand people in an otherwise boring afternoon. Do you know nothing of history?]]
Yup
[[Wow. You assert that the Church was secular? You assert that their strict belief in the creation accounts in Genesis weren’t Bible based?]]
Yes I do assert that- the early Catholic Church was certainly NOT doing hte will of God and as such were NOT of God! That is NOT to say that there weren’t people within the Church who were unsaved, BUT it IS stating the FACT that the leaders were unsaved and set themselves up as God’s arbitrators of justice which were directly AGAINST God’s word and character.
[[I’m beginning to suspect that reality based meaningful discussion is impossible with you.]]
Why is that? Because your OPINION about matters is different than mine? The aerly Cathoic Church was run and dictated by Romans who were ANTI-God. They ABUSED the position of hte church, and set themselves up in power with absolutely NO desire to obey God. They used the influence of the church to present irreligious secular ideals, and htus were NO part of God’s family! Their culpibility in deceiving many ‘in the name of religion’ will be massive when they are judged by God. Not everyone that says Abba father is saved, and many many people have deceived a great many people by professing that htey are ordained of God when they clearly are NOT. We are told to test the psirits (meaning to test whether someone is of God or if they are false teachers) and the early catholic church leaders FAILED this test because htier actions did not reflect God’s truth!
[[OK. Put up or shut up. Either support this current statement with the chapter and verse where the Bible says that the earth is the center of the universe, or revert to your statement in post]]
ahh- gettin a little testy eh? I never said the earth is the center- I HAVE said the bible doesn’t make mention one way or hte other as far as I know!
[The objective fact that anyone can see that Jupiter has its own moons isn’t an opinion.]]
In that you are correct- What were we talking about again? Whether people beleive we are geoncentric or heliocentric last I checked, any opinions based on the observances of moons and spheres concerning our position in the universe is just that- an opinion- especially in the early days when there was a lack of more sophisticated instruments- you seem ot be introducing several unrelated issues here.