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Congressman (Hunter) weighs options to undo refueling tanker contract
GovExec ^ | 3/3/08 | Megan Scully

Posted on 03/05/2008 1:15:16 PM PST by pissant

House Armed Services ranking member Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., may attempt to use the fiscal 2009 defense authorization bill to overturn Friday's Air Force decision to award a contract worth up to $40 billion to Northrop Grumman Corp. and EADS, the European consortium behind Airbus, for a new fleet of aerial refueling tankers. Hunter, a fierce "Buy America" advocate who has sharply criticized the contract, is weighing his legislative options, a spokesman for committee Republicans said Monday. Options may include attaching language to the authorization bill to strengthen laws governing the amount of foreign content in U.S. defense hardware, or a provision prohibiting the Pentagon from awarding contracts to overseas-based companies that receive subsidies from foreign governments, as the Airbus maker does from several European countries, the spokesman said.

Hunter, whose protectionist efforts are typically met with strong opposition in the Senate, included a provision on foreign-subsidized firms in the House's version of the fiscal 2006 authorization bill, but it was dropped during conference negotiations. Hunter is trying to determine "what makes the most logical sense and what we can get others to coalesce around," his spokesman said.

The contract award to Northrop Grumman/EADS dealt a stunning blow to Boeing Co., the domestic aerospace giant that has had a lock on building Air Force tankers for over 50 years. Given Boeing's clout on Capitol Hill, Hunter could win support from several Armed Services Committee members, including Rep. Todd Akin, R-Mo., whose district includes the headquarters of Boeing's defense business. An Akin spokesman did not know whether his boss had discussed the issue with Hunter, but said the two lawmakers are "of a similar mind on this." At least two committee Democrats -- Terrorism Subcommittee Chairman Adam Smith of Washington, and Rep. Nancy Boyda of Kansas -- have criticized the award, but it is not clear if they would support Hunter's efforts. Boeing planned to build the tanker at its plant in Everett, Wash., near Smith's district. The firm would have used its plant in Wichita, Kan., west of Boyda's district, for final assembly.

But Hunter would likely encounter stiff resistance from many lawmakers -- including some traditional allies, such as Senate Armed Services Strategic Forces Subcommittee ranking member Jeff Sessions, R-Ala. Airbus plans to build the tankers at a plant in Mobile, Ala. The company says will employ 5,000 people across the state. Hunter's committee colleague, Rep. Jeff Miller, R-Fla., has praised the contract, saying the Mobile plant is expected to employ people from his northwest Florida district about 60 miles away.

Hunter plans to coordinate his efforts with appropriators, his spokesman added. His strongest allies on the House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee may be Reps. Norm Dicks, D-Wash., whose district includes Boeing's Everett plant, and Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., whose district includes Wichita. Dicks said Friday that he believes the Air Force contract decision would be met with "real skepticism among the defense related committees in Congress." Meanwhile, Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., who sits on the Senate Defense Appropriations panel, has said she looks forward to "asking tough questions."

Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., who also sits on the defense subcommittee, would be expected to fight any effort to use the Defense spending bill to kill the Northrop Grumman/EADS contract.


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 110th; aerospace; boeing; defensecontractors; duncanhunter; eads; refuelingtanker; usaf
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To: subterfuge
In fact, most all government contracts specifically

Correction: all MILITARY government contracts.

21 posted on 03/05/2008 1:36:21 PM PST by subterfuge (Obama will NOT get the nomination.)
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To: american colleen

The percentage is much different

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1980906/posts?page=12#12


22 posted on 03/05/2008 1:37:37 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: mnehrling
Full disclosure: i work for NG.
23 posted on 03/05/2008 1:38:00 PM PST by subterfuge (Obama will NOT get the nomination.)
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To: pissant
Boeing might have a hard time with the "made in America" angle, since the 767 is about 15% Japanese, and the 777 is about 20%. Boeing Japan

It only makes good business sense, because Japan has been a big buyer of Boeing products over the years, and has thus far frozen out Airbus from the Japanese market.

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25 posted on 03/05/2008 1:38:19 PM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Aren’t there government officials doing time from the earlier Boeing Tanker case. Jump right in Pat Murry, a cell awaits you.


26 posted on 03/05/2008 1:39:45 PM PST by We Dare Defend Our Rights
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To: subterfuge
Full disclosure: i work for NG.

That can't be, you aren't French. //sarc

27 posted on 03/05/2008 1:41:44 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehrling

My understanding was that it was over a technical issue, although I am sure the recent scandal at Boeing might have something to do with it...believe me, contract officers do hold grudges. That being said...I am not surprised in the least that Hunter is doing this, as Boeing is one of his major contributors. He’s infamous for sticking his nose into contracting efforts where it doesn’t belong when it benefits him financially and he’s been involved with some sleazy really characters in the process (Cunningham, Wilkes, Rep. Jerry Lewis, etc.). That’s why I could never support him for President.


28 posted on 03/05/2008 1:45:40 PM PST by ravingnutter
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To: Calpernia

For all that keep referring Duncan Hunter as a ‘protectionist’, I strongly, strongly suggest you all read up on what cartelization is. The first symptom of cartelization is an unblanced exchange between organized industry. The next is the attempt of cartels to control foreign markets. Cartelization is not free market capitalism. Cartelization is an advocated new order of socialists. It is embraced to spread political dictatorship. We owe cartels our failure to expand American industry prior to Pearl Harbor. Currently, our present industry is unprepared for war.


Excellent post

Scary that the Globalist Free Trade crowd immediately labels someone “protectionist” when criticizing a deal that is bad for national security.

Hunter is absolutely correct in pointing this out. This is a bad deal

Funny also is that the free trade crowd says nothing about EADS being subsidized by givernments...truly non-market

I always question the commitment of Globalist free traders regarding national security. They value their wealth-redistribution scheme more than the safety of this country


29 posted on 03/05/2008 1:47:59 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (McCain/Hillary/Obama: All Liberals To Me)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
bump

They are the epitome of ‘sleaze’.

30 posted on 03/05/2008 1:50:16 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
Question: What does Duncan Hunter, Hillary Clinton, Barak Obama, and Nancy Pelosi have in common?

Congressman weighs options to undo refueling tanker contract (this thread)

Obama Is Disappointed Over Air Force Tanker Deal

Speaker calls for review of Air Force tanker contract

Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama criticise choice of EADS for $40bn work

31 posted on 03/05/2008 1:57:07 PM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: mnehrling

It’s not at all clear that this was a military decision. Seems that different congresscritters had political reasons for wanting to bring jobs to THEIR district, and that some irregularities may have been introduced into the bidding process.

Even when most of the jobs in question will be located in the US either way, I think it’s a good idea to have a policy of critical military equipment made my US companies unless there’s really a huge benefit in quality and/or cost to having it made by a foreign company. In times of war, political alliances tend to do some shifting, and a country which is an ally at the time a contract is awarded may be at odds with US interests in a wartime scenario. That’s when pressure from a foreign government on companies based in the foreign country could have a seriously detrimental effect on our military effort.


32 posted on 03/05/2008 1:57:17 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: ravingnutter

Hunter is one of the 5 congressmen here in San Diego.

Not factual to tie him with the sleaz. Reps.


33 posted on 03/05/2008 2:00:05 PM PST by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
It’s not at all clear that this was a military decision.

Seems pretty clear it was to me:
TANKER COMPETITION: NORTHROP WON BY A WIDE MARGIN
...Here's how they were evaluated...

1. Mission capability. Arguably the most important factor, this metric compared the teams on performance requirements, system integration & software, product support, program management and technology maturity. The teams tied in most measures, but the Northrop offering was deemed to offer superior refueling and airlift capacity at 1,000 nm. range and substantially superior refueling and airlift capability at 2,000 nm. range. The superior airlift capacity of Northrop's plane was deemed a "compelling" consideration in giving Northrop the edge for this factor.

2. Proposal risk. This is the sole factor in which Boeing managed to match the appeal of the Northrop proposal, but it did so only after being pressed to accept a longer development schedule for its tanker. The Boeing proposal was initially rated as high-risk because reviewers felt the company was offering a plane that in many regards had never been built before, and yet claiming it could be built fast at relatively low cost. The company was forced to stretch out its aggressive schedule, adding cost.

3. Past performance. The Northrop Grumman team received higher ratings in past performance due to satisfactory execution of half a dozen programs deemed relevant to the tanker competition. Air Force reviewers had less confidence in Boeing's past performance due to poor execution in three relevant programs. In addition, Northrop's subcontractors were rated more highly on past performance than Boeing's.

4. Cost/price. This was the factor in which many observers expected the Northrop-EADS team to shine, because EADS subsidiary Airbus usually underbids Boeing in commercial competitions. But Boeing compounded its difficulties in the eyes of reviewers by failing to adequately explain its assumptions in calculating the cost of developing a tanker. The resulting low confidence in Boeing cost projections undercut its claims of lower life-cycle costs. Northrop was rated higher.

5. Integrated assessment. The "integrated fleet aerial refueling assessment" was designed to compare how the competing planes would fare in an operational setting using a realistic wartime scenario. The review found that the Northrop Grumman proposal could accomplish specified missions with nearly two dozen fewer planes than the Boeing proposal, a big advantage.

So Northrop Grumman's victory was not a close outcome. Although both proposals satisfied all performance requirements, the reviewers concluded that if they funded the Northrop Grumman proposal they could have 49 superior tankers operating by 2013, whereas if they funded the Boeing proposal, they would have only 19 considerably less capable planes in that year. The Northrop-EADS offering was deemed much better in virtually all regards.

34 posted on 03/05/2008 2:00:58 PM PST by mnehring
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To: subterfuge

...but they’re partnering with an European company that’ll have most of the actual work.


35 posted on 03/05/2008 2:05:07 PM PST by 38special (I mean come on.)
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To: ravingnutter; mnehrling; Calpernia

Yeah, that’s the ticket. Just like Hunter’s bigtime support for Boeing’s high tech virtual fence boondoggle along our southern border, the one Hunter penned an article called “Virtually De-Fenceless”. Must be those wealthy ma and pa concrete and steel fence builders that outbid Boeing for Hunter’s affections.

Or maybe in this case, that old pork-barreler Hunter decided to support the homeboy Boeing instead of that CALIFORNIA based Northrop Grumman. Wait, that does not make sense either.

Or maybe it is that you expected Hunter to acquiesce to globalism regarding our defense industry, something he has been fighting for 25 years just so we can give european subsidized competitors US tax dollars.


36 posted on 03/05/2008 2:10:01 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
In order to process wit, one must have wisdom. Liberalism regurgitates talking points and doesn’t allow for independent thought.

;)

37 posted on 03/05/2008 2:17:27 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Dixie Yooper
Buy a few tankers from them, sell 20 fighters back.

And that already happening. After Poland joined the EU, the first infrastructure subsidies it received from Brussels were used to buy F-16s. Of course, Germany and the UK would have preferred if they had bought Eurofighters instead. But that's the way life goes. You win some, you lose some. What matters in the end is the balance sheet.
38 posted on 03/05/2008 2:18:11 PM PST by wolf78
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To: mnehrling

There’s another side to the story. I don’t think any of us are really in a position to sort out the truth about the bidding process. Hopefully, there are enough honorable congresscritters to do that job properly.
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/business/business-usa-tanker.html?scp=1&sq=airbus%20boeing&st=nyt


39 posted on 03/05/2008 2:19:23 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Calpernia
Gotcha - thanks very much for the information.
40 posted on 03/05/2008 2:31:29 PM PST by american colleen
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