Posted on 03/04/2008 5:38:25 AM PST by jdm
Rationalism is GREAT - as long as both sides are rational.
Alas, that is not the case when one is dealing with religious fanatics.
Yeah, if we just TALK to these people, and find out why they don’t like us, and not act so arrogant and beligerant in the world,
they’d be peaceful.
The brilliant young academician sounds like a prime candidate to attend the “Daniel Pearl/Nick Berg School of Diplomacy”
What- there isn’t any Daniel Pearl/Nick Berg School of Diplomacy? Hmm, wonder why..
To paraphrase Patton - let enemy die for his country.
Kill them all, and let God — or Allah — sort it out? The dilemma facing the civilized, secular West comes down to this: if we have to become as blood-thirsty as our enemies for survival’s sake, have we forever lost that which makes us superior to them?
“I don't want you to talk Mr. Bond... I WANT YOU TO DIE!”
Well, Coke Zero for me, anyway...
“No b*stard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb b*stard die for his country”. — George S. Patton
See my tag line
Hmmm. Steve Coughlin said these same thing in his treatise, “To Our Great Detriment” (Link below)
In case you forgot he’s the expert on Islam the Pentagon axed ostensibly “was due to an expensive contract.”
Right.
http://www.strategycenter.net/docLib/20080107_Coughlin_ExtremistJihad.pdf
That will require the West to understand that the collateral deaths are the fault of the terrorists, whether that is in Afghanistan, Gaza, Iraq, or anywhere else where terrorists launch attacks in the midst of civilians.
Well, he almost gets it. People in "the West" need to understand that mosques are military installations. Islam is a military organization. It must be outlawed and the mosques must be destroyed.
ML/NJ
Ann Coulter is right. Kill the leaders and convert them to Christianity. Islam is a religion of death.
Sura (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them , and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter of non-believers...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
Sura (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them "
Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him. "
Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power. "
Ibn Ishaq: 327 - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion. ’”
The Japanese in WWII were as resolute or more than any jihadists. When the gloves came ALL the way off in late 1944 even they began to come around.
I guess people don’t read history any more. The US has ample precedent of facing hardened fanatics, and responding by creating more and more efficient ways to kill them.
Coke didn't even finish in the money.
If they want to die so much, then why do they cry foul when *civilians* are hit?
There are no civilians in islam.
People in the West need to understand that Islam gives us 3 and only 3 options -
Conversion
Humiliating Subjugation, subject to death on a whim
War
Choose.
Dear Islamists... Your conclusion is wrong, although the basis is correct... We DO love life. We (the West in general, and Americans in particular) want everyone to get along. We believe that everyone should be able to try to achieve "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." It even says so in one of our most revered documents. We would LOVE to get along with you, and live together in peace, harmony, and prosperity. So, yes, we do love life.
But you claim to love death. Fine. If that's what you love, so be it. If you want to base your society on death, giving up any future hopes for your children, then so be it. You will never know peace, except through conquest. But those days of conquest will come to an end. Eventually, you will cross a line where the people of the West, and in particular, the Americans will say "ENOUGH!" and put the adults back in charge. You see, right now, we've gotten "fat and happy." But that can change in a moment.
While we don't love death, as you claim to, I can say, without a doubt, we do know it, and if we so choose, we're perfectly capable of using it as a terrible tool. Don't believe me? As the residents of Dresden, Germany, or Tokyo Japan. You want nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons to wreak havoc on the US? I'd like to remind you that those two cities were pretty much wiped out WITHOUT the use of nuclear weapons.
Put simply, we don't love, worship, or strive for death. We want everyone to live happily together. But eventually you'll push too far, and you'll bring ruinous consequences down upon yourselves. You'll yearn for the days of "Black September" when you tried to overthrow the Kingdom of Jordon, and your people were slaughtered.
This isn't the sort of thing that we enjoy or relish. But it's something that we've shown that we're quite good at, if necessary.
Mark
Killing for survival is different than killing for pleasure.
So, *No* to your question.
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