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William F. Buckley’s ‘Conservative Movement’ Still-Born, Dead-On-Arrival, Because it Was Godless...
The American View ^ | 3/3/2008 | John Lofton ("recovering Republican, recovering conservative")

Posted on 03/03/2008 1:57:22 PM PST by Jim Robinson

William F. Buckley’s ‘Conservative Movement’ Still-Born, Dead-On-Arrival, Decades Ago, Because it Was Godless, Against Christ, Ignored God’s Word

Contact: John Lofton, 301-873-4612, 410-760-8885, JLof@aol.com

MEDIA ADVISORY, March 3 /Christian Newswire/ — Recovering Republican John Lofton, Editor of TheAmericanView.com and co-host of “The American View” radio show with the Constitution Party’s 2004 Presidential candidate Michael Anthony Peroutka, has issued the following statement:

“Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.” – Psalm 127.

The Lord Jesus Christ did not build the “conservative movement” house. Thus, it was a house built on sand, it fell and great has been the fall of it, a recent example of this fall being the “conservative movement’s” support for President of George W. Bush who has given us the most Godless, unconstitutional, debt-ridden, big spending Federal Government in our history.

Even though most of its “leaders” claimed to be Christians, the “conservative movement” was dead-on-arrival because, from the beginning, it’s political plan was Godless, against Christ, and ignored the Bible. This “movement” vainly imagined succeeding without honoring Christ, succeeding through bread-alone, flesh-and-blood-only-politics when God tells us the REAL battle is a spiritual war which must be fought in the full-armor of God (Ephesians 6:10ff).

An example of the Godlessness I allude to occurred when I was on Bill Buckley’s “Firing Line” program June 24, 1987. Referring to him having told Malcolm Muggeridge that he (Buckley) did not believe there was a Christian means of organizing society, I asked Bill: “Wouldn’t God’s Laws, wouldn’t the Laws of Christ be a means of organizing a society?” Buckley said: “No. No….The consent of the governed in societies ruled by the people is the ultimate source of authority.”

Alexander Solzhenitsyn was once asked how just a few Communists could take over his country when it had a thousand years of being Christian? He replied: “We forgot God.” The leaders of the “conservative movement,” politically-speaking, forgot God. They forgot that the Lord Jesus Christ is Lord over ALL, including politics. They forgot that He is King of kings, Lord of lords, with ALL power in Heaven and on earth. They forgot Psalm 2:12 commands: “Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”

I know all of what I say here is true because, from the inside, I ran with this “conservative movement” from the mid-1960s to 1980 when God, by His grace alone, raptured me from among this Christless crowd – something for which, literally, I will be eternally grateful.

To hear much more on this subject, please click here to hear the latest “The American View” radio show http://www.theamericanview.com/dictator/media/997/show_145.mp3

If you’d like to interview John Lofton, you may reach him by calling: 301-873-4612; 410-760-8885; or by email: JLof@aol.com.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anticatholicism; buckley; conservatism; constitutionparty; johnlofton; wfb; williamfbuckley; williamfbuckleyjr
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To: unspun

Thanks for the ping!


121 posted on 03/03/2008 8:59:49 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: B Knotts
WFB was hardly godless.

He was not a theocrat, but that is not the same as being godless. As far as I know, he was a faithful Catholic.

There are Catholics who are theocrats (mainly monarchists), but Buckley was not among them.

This guy (Lofton) seems to be a dispensationalist theocrat. Not my cup of tea. Takes all kinds, I suppose.

There must be a specific flavor of godly that is required of one to be considered sufficiently "conservative" by some specific group of conservatives. Is there a rulebook somewhere?

122 posted on 03/03/2008 9:22:56 PM PST by FixedandDilated
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To: Alamo-Girl
a ping in a poke
123 posted on 03/03/2008 9:39:24 PM PST by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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To: unspun

LOLOL! That’s a cute expression.


124 posted on 03/03/2008 9:41:03 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: unspun; Jim Robinson; Alamo-Girl

While I don’t necessarily agree with every jot or tittle either man ever wrote or said, I have to say that given the choice to stand with Buckley, Kirk, and their friends, versus Lofton, its an easy choice.

Buckley is a giant.

You can argue that the GOP is insufficiently conservative, and its true, you can argue that it sells its principles too cheap, and that is also true. You can say that the US is going to pay a high price for forgetting the principles that have guided it throughout its history and that is also true.

You can’t lay that at the feet of Buckley, who spent his life fighting the good fight. Rest in peace.


125 posted on 03/03/2008 9:48:10 PM PST by marron
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To: marron

Well and truly said.


126 posted on 03/03/2008 9:52:39 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: jdm
I liked him when he played WR for the Packers, myself.
127 posted on 03/03/2008 9:54:13 PM PST by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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Paging Nehemiah Scudder. Pick up the white courtesy telephone please.


128 posted on 03/03/2008 9:54:38 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: unspun

Herding cats is a questionable occupation.. The stampede is always imminent.. On FR trolls are target practice and show Me the Freeper that don;t have a few cat scratches.. We are not easy on each other.. Thats why we be tough..


129 posted on 03/03/2008 9:56:58 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: marron; FixedandDilated; cornelis
You can argue that the GOP is insufficiently conservative, and its true, you can argue that it sells its principles too cheap, and that is also true. You can say that the US is going to pay a high price for forgetting the principles that have guided it throughout its history and that is also true. You can’t lay that at the feet of Buckley, who spent his life fighting the good fight. Rest in peace.

Ya hey.

Listening to FoxNews' tribute (I do some of my best reading in documentaries) I find it revealing that Buckley called himself first, as a young man, an "individualist," then deigned to call himself a conservative. I think that speaks volumes about Buckley's perspective.

It's not quite mine -- I'd grasp "conservative" in a minute, if it means conserving the principles and ideals of the Declaration and Constitution, in that order and of our founders' ideals. That includes the sovereignty of the individual but to make a stronger distinction with libertarian "heresy," it does not set apart as preeminent individuals standing individually. (Whittaker Chambers helped significantly there as I glean, at least with his NR Review of Atlas Shrugged.)

IOW, it ain't about popular sovereignty in government if it ain't about the governance of a whole society, even a culture full of us individuals, which is responsible to "God's law," as Huckabee edgily said. I'm comfortable between Buckley and Lofton while recognizing that Buckley was the most messianic, Mosaic conservative figure for our time, politically. Maybe we all need to be a bit more like Joshua, now -- hopefully together instead of "hanging separately."

130 posted on 03/03/2008 10:13:22 PM PST by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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To: hosepipe
Herding cats is a questionable occupation.. The stampede is always imminent.. On FR trolls are target practice and show Me the Freeper that don;t have a few cat scratches.. We are not easy on each other.. Thats why we be tough..

A few weeks ago, I created another FReep name, make some pointed posts (standing athwart the simplistic notion of "rugged individualism") and got banned that night.

131 posted on 03/03/2008 10:19:15 PM PST by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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To: unspun
[ A few weeks ago, I created another FReep name, make some pointed posts (standing athwart the simplistic notion of "rugged individualism") and got banned that night. ]

Ah! one mans rugged is another mans Icehole.. Ive seen a few rugged iceholes though.. Ive been called an icehole more that once..

132 posted on 03/03/2008 11:03:50 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: deuteronlmy232
I don't know anything about this story. Though we may not have paid the money back to the specific family, the United States eternal support and billions of dollars of aid to Israel might just fit the bill. I would call it Paid in full plus, plus, plus interest.
133 posted on 03/03/2008 11:18:08 PM PST by America-The-Great-1967 (Don't fix the blame, fix the problem.)
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To: A Strict Constructionist

That particular ant farm is stirred up lately because, on some level, the theocratic faction of the religious right (which should be carefully distinguished from the majority) recognizes that the war against Islamic Fundamentalist terrorism does to them what the war against Naziism did to genteel anti-Semitism. (For those keeping score at home, that would be “banished it from polite society because it too clearly resembles raw evil”.)


134 posted on 03/04/2008 4:26:28 AM PST by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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To: jammer
In fact, it was extremely religious, unless the author objects to Roman Catholicism.

You broke the code.

135 posted on 03/04/2008 4:28:29 AM PST by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: unspun
to make a stronger distinction with libertarian "heresy,"

...and polytheism and error. Don't forget those.

136 posted on 03/04/2008 4:30:04 AM PST by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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To: hosepipe
The Bill of Rights was guaranteed by God.. not government.. the document says.. These rights are said to be UNalienable..

For future reference, the Bill of Rights isn't in the Declaration of Independence.

137 posted on 03/04/2008 6:15:10 AM PST by atlaw
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To: Petronski
Perhaps the Calvinists ought to drop this sanctimonious “Whore of Babylon” crap.

Maybe the Roman Catholics could start the reconciliation process by lifting the Papal bull declaring Martin Luther a heretic. I don't want to hijack this thread but BOTH sides allow the gulf between the RCs and the Protestants to exist. However, you are correct that name calling and provocative speech accomplish nothing.

138 posted on 03/04/2008 6:27:28 AM PST by CommerceComet
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To: Snickersnee
Lofton has confused WFB with Ayn Rand.

My first thought as well. However, many in the conservative movement have been heavily influenced by Ayn Rand's philosophies, including her atheism.

139 posted on 03/04/2008 6:29:24 AM PST by CommerceComet
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To: atlaw
[ For future reference, the Bill of Rights isn't in the Declaration of Independence. ]

You sound confused.. about rights and privileges..

It was the Declaration of Independance from privileges(granted by Monarchy) "TO" rights(granted by God)..

140 posted on 03/04/2008 6:41:13 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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