[militem]

ping

[kinoxi]

Ping swordmaker to rag on this. He’s good at it.

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

Huge thread about this at Slashdot today:

Microsoft Internal Emails Show Dismay With Vista
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/02/28/1746211

PDF file available from the Seattle Post-Intelligencer:

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/library/vistaone3046.pdf

From page 6 of the PDF:

From: Jim Allchin
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2006 8:15 AM

We really botched this. I was not involved in this decision and I will support it because I trust you thinking through the logic.

BUT, you guys have to do a better job with our customers that [sic] was shown here.

This was especially true because you put me out on limb [sic] making a commitment. This is not ok.

[AlexW]

I am buying a new laptop next week but confused over vista vs XP.. I am still on W98. I am considering a HP Pavilion with duo2core. Most people tell me that Vista is C_ _ _, but hard to find them without Vista.

I welcome any suggestions.

[the invisib1e hand]

getting anything done well at any organization is next to impossible these day. people don't communicate, don't work together, don't respect one another or authority; authority (or what passes for it) doesn't respect subordinates, it's all about "me," people are dysfunctionally thin skinned, afraid to speak up for fear of offending someone and who knows what kind of consequences for that, everyone's sure they're group is the next one to be axed...etcer-freaking-a.

To have as good a run as msft had for so long might just be miraculous.

[unspun]

They might admit that it just isn’t an efficient OS. (See UNIX and derivatives.)

[CutePuppy]

The problems with Vista go so far beyond minimum technical / hardware requirements that this looks to be a lame “slipstream” excuse from Microsoft...

Even many highly technical people who run high end PCs with plenty of memory and fast multi-core CPUs that jumped on Vista bandwagon and tried to emphasize its advantages early on can’t any longer ignore the bugs, sluggish performance, installation problems etc. etc.

Many of the problems go to the decision by Microsoft to start ugly call-back / WGA copy protection with the introduction of XP, especially since the overwhelming majority of the revenue they get is not from retail sales of OS but from pre-installed copies on computers from manufacturers and from enterprise volume licensing.

They started to be worried more about losing a very small percentage of revenue to “pirates” (which happens anyway) than about quality of their software. That’s usually the beginning of the end...

[libh8er]

Google please release the GOS, so once and for all we can be done with windows.

[Tribune7]

The emails also show how Microsoft executives struggled to respond to complaints from a Microsoft board member about technical problems he had encountered.

"Well at first we tried talking him through it in a Hindi accent," one exec said. "But all that did was tick him off."

[Freee-dame]

bump

[The South Texan]

Got my first Mac last week.

Love it. Adios Vista and whatever crap is in the pipeline from Microsoft.

[dennisw]

BTTT

[Cold Heat]

For crying out loud....

I've had enough of this.

The computer pipeline had a lot of units with 512 meg of memory that had already been produced prior to Vista. At the time, any moron with half a brain knew it was not enough and most sales reps indicated the same, but some did not and it turned into a complaint. The complaint was valid, and the situation rectified, but to blame MS for putting out a bad OS is total crap.

I bought VISTA at this same time, included in a laptop. I already knew that 512 meg was not nearly enough as it was also problematic on XP. I bought 2G before I put the laptop in service for the cost of about 120 dollars more. I also informed the sales people about the problems I saw coming.

The faults lie with the computer makers who attempted to hit a price point that was competitive. They were all doing it on XP and when VISTA came out, they continued for a very short time until the supplies of the cheaper units were exhausted.

This is not the fault of MS, but I'm sure they would take it back if they could, but whatever......They had to get the OS out there, and the computers in the stores were not quite ready for them.

BTW, after the most recent updates regarding some third party vendors who have been very slow getting their product updated for Vista, the OS has been fantastic. It manages the computers assets extremely well with no crashes, and no difficulties. I can download multiple video and audio streams and aggregate, organised and save simultaneously and with speed, as I run multiple apps that push the dual core processor to 100% plus, on a 24/7 basis for what has amounted to more than a year. I am very pleased with this OS. Very pleased indeed.

I never turn it off, except to reboot on some updates or installs, and it runs flawlessly. Absolutely flawless.

[AlexW]

Thanks to all for suggestions on Windows.
I am now sure I will not accept Vista, but I will not
change to some foreign operating system like Mac/Apple or Linux. I am sure they all have good points, but I have about 15 years of Windows based programs and I am too old to play with the other systems.