Seems that I'm going to have to polish my Paint Shop skills again. I would give my worldly posessions to the Swift Boat Veterans and POW's for truth before I gave McCain a nickel.
Posted on 02/27/2008 9:27:03 PM PST by Sir Gawain
Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:19:32 pm PST
Has anyone ever really shown that the allegations made by the Swift Boat Veterans against John F. Kerry were false? If someone has refuted the charges conclusively, I’ve never seen it—which makes John McCain’s continuing antipathy toward the Swiftboaters inexplicable: McCain Scrambles to Control Backers.
Speaking to reporters aboard his campaign tour bus late Tuesday, McCain acknowledged that conservative independent groups pursuing a similar line to Cunningham’s could be impossible to control.
“I think you have to worry about that, particularly the 527s,” McCain said, referring to the independent advocacy groups that are not subject to contributor limits.
“We’re aware of many of the things that 527s have done ... where unlimited amounts of money can pour into negative campaigns such as we saw against John Kerry and his combat record, as we saw against (former Georgia Sen.) Max Cleland ... they’re really very not accountable to anyone. At least I have to say ‘I’m John McCain and I approve this message.’”
And no, I’m not saying ‘down with McCain’ here. But in this case, I think he’s scoring some cheap political points at the expense of people who don’t deserve the bad rap.
I met a man at our caucus who was a Navy pilot at that time, who hated McCain so much that he couldn’t even say his name. One of my neighbors was in McCain’s class at Annapolis. The story about bumping a pilot isn’t exactly true. They asked for volunteers to train on a different aircraft. My neighbor raised his hand because he was happy to fly something else.
“It was Republican McCain who called Sampley ‘one of the most despicable people I have ever had the misfortune to encounter’ and said ‘Sampley has a nose for publicity and knack for making money from invented controversies’
*** I think that this is the key to McCain’s denunciation of The Swiftboaters. He had been dogged by Samplely for years with this type of vacuous crap. Kerry had been Sampley’s second target. Samply had tried to align himself with the Swiftboaters and implied that he had a leadership role there. McCain looked at the Swifties and saw Sampley or similar.
He couldn’t have been more wrong.
110 posted on 02/22/2008 9:31:16 AM PST by MARTIAL MONK
Did you know that not a single member of McCain’s flight class made it out of Vietnam, except McCain? I have to wonder if the information that McCain gave the enemy in exchange for medical treatment, had anything to do with that. It could have been, as my neighbor suggested, just a bad plane.
Staying home in November looks better all the time.
WTF? Why is McCain wasting everybody’s time defending has been ‘Rat candidates from done and over with elections? It sounds like he believes he was competing for the Republican nomination for PC Cop, not presidential candidate.
Seems that I'm going to have to polish my Paint Shop skills again. I would give my worldly posessions to the Swift Boat Veterans and POW's for truth before I gave McCain a nickel.
My uncle was in the same class at Annapolis. I don’t think he was friends with him but knew of him. He didn’t say anything good or bad re: McCain.
Doesn’t McCain comprehend that he’s s#!++!ng in his own bed by personally calling out Republican supporters? If he must do so, he should appoint an underling to do so and not make the news every time by opening his own stupid yap about it.
Funny how he slams the Swift Boat Vets but not the Congressional Medal of Honor winners who stood with them.
Both.
“We’re aware of many of the things that 527s have done ... where unlimited amounts of money can pour into negative campaigns such as we saw against John Kerry and his combat record, as we saw against (former Georgia Sen.) Max Cleland ... they’re really very not accountable to anyone. At least I have to say ‘I’m John McCain and I approve this message.’”
This is going to end up far worse than Dole's electile disfunctional disaster! And he was at least honorable enough to resign from the Senate to campaign for President, unlike the terrible trio running at present. The GOP frontrunner's wheels are coming completely off, mired in politically correct insipidness!!!
“Has anyone ever really shown that the allegations made by the Swift Boat Veterans against John F. Kerry were false? “
Has John Kerry yet released those 100 pages of his service record that he’s promised to release more than once? I know he told Tim Russert that he’d release them well after the 2004 race was over.
And why is McCain even running his mouth about this? Sheeeesh.
Hell, Hillary is starting to look better all the time.
So, speaking the truth about a dishonest traitor is now somehow dirty?
Spoken like a true liberal.
Oh, wait. I forgot. Kerry is a Senator, and is thus above reproach, in the eyes of the self-canonized Saint McCain.
McCain has shown consistently that he is incapable of seeing the difference between good and evil, just as he’s incapable of seeing the difference between soldiers and unlawful enemy combatants, because, in his deranged mind, everything is about him. Let’s face it: McCain is unfit for command, because he is insane.
A side benefit that many may not be aware was that the Swift Boat Veterans helped thousands of Viet Nam veterans, like me, finally emerge proud for our service to our country.
Like so many others, I spent 3-1/2 years in the service, including three tours to the Tonkin Gulf, just off the coast of Viet Nam. When I was discharged in 1971, Viet Nam veterans were generally dispised. I put my seabag away and almost never discussed this period of my life. Since 2004, I have spoken to many veterans who told me they felt the same.
My own children, by 2004 in their early 30's, at some point asked me why I never spoke about Viet Nam. Through tears held back for over three decades, I told them how when I came home, the media depicted soldiers and servicemen as war mongers and baby killers. The charge was repeated again and again on the nightly news.
I told them that I just closed that chapter of my life and moved on, though deep inside this hurt more than anyone could know.
Through the 70's the Viet Nam conflict was continually depicted as a mistake by the U.S., even while millions were being killed by the communists in Viet Nam, Cambodia and Loas. John Kerry, a veteran himself, testified that few people would be harmed by our leaving. He could not have been more wrong. His words probably caused more pain and suffering to captured soldiers and sailors than Jane Fonda's, because he had worn the uniform.
Kerry lied about details of his service, and to this very day has refused to sign form 180 and release his service record, which would immediately clear up any misunderstandigs. To call off the Swift Boat Veterans, he promised to sign the form in 2004. He still has not done so. Four years later he is still hiding from his record.
Related, but as an aside, I have always resented Bill Clinton for the way he ridiculed the war effort ...on foreign soil. I have long held that he was a traitor to the very country that elected him President. Seeing his media darling status decline in the past few months gives me hope that his trechery and cowardice in the late 60's and early 70's will yet be openly revealed by those in the media who have protected him all these years. All I can do is hope.
Sorry for the rant. This thread seemed appropriate.
Hey McCain, want a million dollars for your campaign?
Well, then there is a million on the table from T. Boone Pickens for anyone who can prove that anything the Swiftboaters said was demonstrably false.
So go collect the money, but if you CAN’T Prove them false I suggest you SHUT THE F#CK UP smearing them or you won’t have any base to vote for you whatsover.
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