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I posted this last night from my JB Williams email readers. FR took it down for no link available yet.

Here it is again, with a link.

The idea that keeping the likes of Obama or Clinton out of the White House is some form of liberalism is just plain insane. I have read that too often here at FR.

I am a long time regular reader of Williams. He is the last writer in America who could be accurately accused of being either liberal or pro-McCain.

You can't find a more conservative author today. When he's right, he's right, even when it's uncomfortable.

I agree with Williams. I am not posting this to poke Freepers in the eye and I'm sure Williams didn't write it for that reason either.

Like this author, I'm hoping that conservatives can recognize how we got here, what we need to do now and how we change this circumctance in the future.

I was disappointed by the many posters who simply took a defensive attack mode in response to this news yesterday. I'm hoping for a better response to the piece today.

1 posted on 02/27/2008 6:04:40 AM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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Conservatives are all about their principles, as they should be. They are also all about individuality. They seldom see a need to play well with others in pursuit of a common goal. They are the most independent minded folks on earth and they are always firm in their personal belief structures, so much so, that they will go down in flames before conceding a single issue, in the name of principle.

Semi-exactly. I blame the supporters of the "wing" candidates - Huckabee, McCain, and Romney - who should have conceded that their candidates appealed only to one "wing" of the broader body of conservatism, and who should have supported the only candidate who was a true, broad-based, all-around movement conservative - Fred Thompson. We're in this fix because too many conservatives put their petty one-wing concerns over the good of the movement and the nation as a whole.

2 posted on 02/27/2008 6:12:54 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Men fight well when they know that no prisoners will be taken.)
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Ping


3 posted on 02/27/2008 6:13:14 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Dream Tickets: Gore/Obama vs. Petraeus/Blackwell.)
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This conservative is lying to himself. Conservatives did not allow the Democrats to take back congress in 2006. Conservatives just do not have that kind of power or numbers. Conservatives lie to themselves when they take credit for Jorge Bush’s two elections. As we have so painfully come to find out Jorge is not all that conservative, but I did vote for him twice. Jorge won two elections, not on his political stance but for the sheer fact that he was more likeable than the two Democrat duds Kerry and Gore. And this Keating Five Guy might win a close election if he were running against Hillary, because the one politician in Washington that is less likeable than McCain is the Hildebeast. But Jorge won two elections not because of the loyalty of the conservative base which he had, but because Jorge is a more likeable fellow than Kerry or Gore. When the parties are split so evenly, it was his likeabilty among swing voters in swing states that gave him two narrow margins. The Keating Five Guy can get every Republican vote there is, but the younger more likeable blank page Obama will get the swing voters in swing states because McCain unlike Jorge Bush is a very unlikeable RINO relic old geezer.


4 posted on 02/27/2008 6:17:57 AM PST by Biblebelter (I will NEVER EVER vote for McCain or any other current Senator.)
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To: PlainOleAmerican
I'm hoping for a better response to the piece today.

Hope is not a method and a liberal posing as a conservative is a big LOSER.

5 posted on 02/27/2008 6:20:51 AM PST by TADSLOS ( McCain-Feingold: "Good for thee but not for me"- John McCain)
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Conservatives will start winning when they actually do something about the size and scope of government instead of just talking about it. Cutting taxes is the only thing they actually do so they allow the Dems to frame the debate. They continue to pour money into failed programs.


8 posted on 02/27/2008 6:27:23 AM PST by pas
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Have conservatives really lost sight of who the real enemy is here? Do they really accept no personal responsibility for how we got here, or what happens next? Are they really throwing in the towel, not just for the GOP, but for the nation, or are they simply having a momentary temper tantrum?

Conservatives are simply mavericking. After all, it seems to be the way to "win" elections. We have learned from the best maverick out there, the one who never lost sight of his REAL enemy, ie, Conservatives.

(fussing about the base's destructive tendency to litmus-test their way out of an actual human being, has ZERO to do with McCain. It is a separate argument, McCains problem is not just policy, most of us can disagree with this or that, it is his trustworthiness and loyalty and absolute refusal to defend us, his constant attacks on us, and his heart and gut, which are with the Democrat Party)
9 posted on 02/27/2008 6:29:29 AM PST by roses of sharon (Who will be McCain's maverick?)
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Editorials are opinions and editorialists can never seem to find the target when shooting at me. I’m voting conservative for my own reasons and I’m tired of trying to explain it to GOPers who continue to lose because they think they can dictate thought.


11 posted on 02/27/2008 6:31:18 AM PST by cripplecreek (Voting CONSERVATIVE in memory of 5 children killed by illegals 2/17/08 and 2/19/ 08)
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On the face of it, this is a very well written essay, but I see no real proof of its conclusions from the facts at hand:

1) McCain sucks! - Agreed.

shoot the two most dangerous attackers and go hand to hand with the least of the threats remaining.

A whole lot of people believe that McCain is not the least of the threats, and they have, contrary to the writer's opinion, a valid point.

To address none of the three is certain suicide.

Fearmongering. Talk about useless.

The socialist minority will continue to win so long as conservatives fail to unite in productive measure. 3) Conservative principles are not welcome in any socialist country.

All agreed.

So, stopping Democratic Socialists from sitting in the Oval Office at any cost is a must.

Here is where the leap is made. - The only must is that we "must" stop Republican liberals from sitting in the GOP - We can deal with the democrats anytime that we do.
The writer is correct - We must unite to throw out the RINOs and leftists.
If the GOP and the RNC are so stupid as to continue to move left, then AMF to them. - Goodbye.

It won’t change anything, but you can sound more conservative at cocktail parties by showing how smart you are to recognize this reality.

Apparently, the writer is indulging in this right now.

13 posted on 02/27/2008 6:35:20 AM PST by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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I get it.

It’s my fault.

We’re stuck with the radical left wing nutcase, McCain, who will peddle the exact same agenda as Hillobama, only with a lot of conservatives cheering his slaughter of the Republic, because the primary is long over before I even get to vote in it.


16 posted on 02/27/2008 6:38:58 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (And close the damned borders!)
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That is an excellent analysis of the situation, but the "Principled Conservative Thumb-suckers" on this forum are so consumed with CRS (Conservative Rage Syndrome) that they are beyond reason.

They have also been suckered into the Libertarian philosopy that we should let the Socialists take over the country and in four years, we Principled Conservatives will be seen as saviors. That is complete and utter bravo sierra! The Libertarians are hoping for an armed revolution that will create a power vacuum they cans step into, because they will never get power through the voting booth!

Hopefully, most of the "Principled Conservatives" will take a deep breath, and return to rational thinking. From some of the posts on here, those singled out in the article and their cohorts do not have the maturity to even consider backing down from their wild, enraged and childish positions. Since they refuse to become part of the solution, they have decided they can have more impact and revenge by being a major part of the problem. And, prove that they are incapable of learning from experience. It is sad and pathetic.

26 posted on 02/27/2008 6:49:20 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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I think the basic problem is that the writer simply accepts at face value the situation that 1) Sen. McCain received about 35% of the GOP vote in primaries (and of course 100% of the non-GOP vote in GOP primaries), and 2) he seems to be on course to be the nominee. I don;t recall ever being consulted by the RNC on the current option (one of several) that whoever gets the largest plurality gets 100% of the delegates. So McCain got 157 delegates in FL because he got 30% of the vote. Why not get 30% of the delegates, and the people who won 70% of the vote get 70% of the delegates?

So I absolutely do not agree that conservatives had any sort of duty to unite instantaneously behind one and only one conservative. (Logically, that would only mean that the 8 conservative CANDIDATES had to meet and agree on 7 pulling out, anyway.) So I refuse any accountability in the current situation. I would have voted for Thompson in my state convention (after Hunter withdrew) but couldn't because he withdrew beforehand. And why did he withdraw? Merely because McCain won 100% of delegates in winner-take-all primaries. So I see the RNC scheme as deliberately engineered for just such a result as we have now.

28 posted on 02/27/2008 6:52:16 AM PST by wildandcrazyrussian
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John McCain and the GOP insiders don’t want the conservatives in the party, they just want their vote. If they wanted us, they would come right out and ask us, with some conciliatory gestures in hand, like the promise to fix the broken primary system, so that this never happens again. That is not a gesture that would weaken McCain, and it would go a long way to prove that the GOP is truly a big tent.

Political extortion gets them nowhere.


31 posted on 02/27/2008 6:56:36 AM PST by Eva (Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too.)
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“If I vote my conscience, none of the current GOP or DEM candidates will get it. If I decide to hold my nose, McCain will get my vote. IF I decide to hold my nose.

And I still stand by this statement.

Give me a reason to vote FOR John McCain, not a reason to vote AGAINST the Dems.

41 posted on 02/27/2008 7:02:42 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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I think this a bit of over analysis. 70% of the country is not conservative. I’d like to know where he gets that from. It may be that 70% give conservative like answers to surveys, but when it comes to voting they’re not conservative.

The split is probably much closer to 35/35/30 between actually voting liberals, conservatives, and the “mushy middles” that go in all directions.

So, why aren’t conservatives winning? It’s a combination of a lack of boldness, direction and leadership and big dose of this...

From John at PowerlineBlog.com:

“... Today, the benefit of that experience has largely been lost. A generation of American voters has not experienced the failures of the Great Society, the near-collapse of American cities, double-digit inflation and unemployment, seventy percent tax brackets, or the disaster of Jimmy Carter’s foreign policy. In the absence of historical memory, and with a powerful assist from the ever-forgetful press, liberalism is once again emerging as the philosophy that sounds good. The fact that it doesn’t work awaits as an unpleasant surprise for a new generation. In the meantime, Barack Obama may well be the plausible candidate who can lead voters, once again, down the blind alley of leftism. He is, as Steve Hayes argues, an opponent who must be taken seriously. ...”

jw


51 posted on 02/27/2008 7:17:08 AM PST by JWinNC (www.anailinhisplace.net)
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This author starts out with a false premise.

America has exactly the mess of a government it deserves because it always has the government it elected. In reality, our messy government is a precise reflection of our very messy electorate.

Proof can readily be found here!

When our so-called primary "election" has been manipulated and tweaked by the RNC to the point of allowing me, and millions of others, NO CHOICE in the primary, I will not sit quietly and allow some pompous "conservative" pundit/author blame me for the fiasco.

The king was annointed after only 6 states had been heard from and crowned after only half the voting public had their say. This so-called primary "election" has been nothing more than a circus from start to finish for the sole purpose of entertaining the sheeple.

“It is enough that the people know there was an election.
The people who cast the votes decide nothing.
The people who count the votes decide everything.”
-Joseph Stalin



58 posted on 02/27/2008 7:22:30 AM PST by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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There wasn’t a viable conservative in the race, just pale pretenders.

And thats how the GOP ended up with the 37% candidate as the nominee.

Its also why the next time we here Obama’s complete, legal name it will be in the following context;

‘I, Barack HUESSIN Obama, do solemnly swear....’

Moderates dont’ lead by definition, and ‘anger politics’ as practiced by John McCain have virtually ensured Democrats keep the House and Senate - increasing margins in both, along with the Whitehouse.

But hey, no problem...McCain will work with Democrats....(sarcasm)


59 posted on 02/27/2008 7:22:38 AM PST by Badeye (Give McCain the same level of support he gave Conservatives like you and I)
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The issue isn’t whether or not these posters have a valid point

Spoken like Dan 'fake but accurate' Rather.

Unless conservatives want to go home and take a cold shower and wait another four years for a date

Sounds good to me.

69 posted on 02/27/2008 7:40:34 AM PST by Sloth (If you took an oath to support & defend the U.S. Constitution, can you vote for its domestic enemy?)
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Another day same old BS, vote for insane McCain are the world is going to end.

Any vote for McCain will be used by the RNC as an endorsement of the leftward movement of the republican party. Not going to happen.

71 posted on 02/27/2008 7:44:17 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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I was disappointed by the many posters who simply took a defensive attack mode in response to this news yesterday. I'm hoping for a better response to the piece today.

It is not news it is opinion!! Where did you go to school?

73 posted on 02/27/2008 7:47:00 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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...stopping Democratic Socialists from sitting in the Oval Office at any cost is a must.

Oh please. Enough of the hysterics. We survived Jimmy Carter and got Ronald Reagan. We survived Bill Clinton and got the Contract with America and a republican back in the oval office. I don't think the world is going to end. Sen. Dole just may not win no matter what we do.

88 posted on 02/27/2008 8:35:00 AM PST by McGruff (Good thing Huckabee has those super delegates to count on.)
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