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Conservatives Have Stepped In It Again!
NewsByUs ^ | February 27, 2008 | JB Williams

Posted on 02/27/2008 6:04:33 AM PST by PlainOleAmerican

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I posted this last night from my JB Williams email readers. FR took it down for no link available yet.

Here it is again, with a link.

The idea that keeping the likes of Obama or Clinton out of the White House is some form of liberalism is just plain insane. I have read that too often here at FR.

I am a long time regular reader of Williams. He is the last writer in America who could be accurately accused of being either liberal or pro-McCain.

You can't find a more conservative author today. When he's right, he's right, even when it's uncomfortable.

I agree with Williams. I am not posting this to poke Freepers in the eye and I'm sure Williams didn't write it for that reason either.

Like this author, I'm hoping that conservatives can recognize how we got here, what we need to do now and how we change this circumctance in the future.

I was disappointed by the many posters who simply took a defensive attack mode in response to this news yesterday. I'm hoping for a better response to the piece today.

1 posted on 02/27/2008 6:04:40 AM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican
Conservatives are all about their principles, as they should be. They are also all about individuality. They seldom see a need to play well with others in pursuit of a common goal. They are the most independent minded folks on earth and they are always firm in their personal belief structures, so much so, that they will go down in flames before conceding a single issue, in the name of principle.

Semi-exactly. I blame the supporters of the "wing" candidates - Huckabee, McCain, and Romney - who should have conceded that their candidates appealed only to one "wing" of the broader body of conservatism, and who should have supported the only candidate who was a true, broad-based, all-around movement conservative - Fred Thompson. We're in this fix because too many conservatives put their petty one-wing concerns over the good of the movement and the nation as a whole.

2 posted on 02/27/2008 6:12:54 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Men fight well when they know that no prisoners will be taken.)
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To: FrPR

Ping


3 posted on 02/27/2008 6:13:14 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Dream Tickets: Gore/Obama vs. Petraeus/Blackwell.)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

This conservative is lying to himself. Conservatives did not allow the Democrats to take back congress in 2006. Conservatives just do not have that kind of power or numbers. Conservatives lie to themselves when they take credit for Jorge Bush’s two elections. As we have so painfully come to find out Jorge is not all that conservative, but I did vote for him twice. Jorge won two elections, not on his political stance but for the sheer fact that he was more likeable than the two Democrat duds Kerry and Gore. And this Keating Five Guy might win a close election if he were running against Hillary, because the one politician in Washington that is less likeable than McCain is the Hildebeast. But Jorge won two elections not because of the loyalty of the conservative base which he had, but because Jorge is a more likeable fellow than Kerry or Gore. When the parties are split so evenly, it was his likeabilty among swing voters in swing states that gave him two narrow margins. The Keating Five Guy can get every Republican vote there is, but the younger more likeable blank page Obama will get the swing voters in swing states because McCain unlike Jorge Bush is a very unlikeable RINO relic old geezer.


4 posted on 02/27/2008 6:17:57 AM PST by Biblebelter (I will NEVER EVER vote for McCain or any other current Senator.)
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To: PlainOleAmerican
I'm hoping for a better response to the piece today.

Hope is not a method and a liberal posing as a conservative is a big LOSER.

5 posted on 02/27/2008 6:20:51 AM PST by TADSLOS ( McCain-Feingold: "Good for thee but not for me"- John McCain)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

VERY well said...

Conservatives should have rallied behind the most complete conservative available, the one who could have brought the most conservatives into the fold by representing the widest range of conservative values.

According to all FR polling data, that was Fred Thompson from start to finish. I would have been happy with whomever FR members agreed was the most complete conservative.

The debate as to who that was could have taken place quickly and easily here and it did. Once conservatives agreed in majority, all conservatives should have rallied to that effort and let their single issue conservatives go.

This must happen in the future and if it does, conservatives can begin to win again.

Well done!


6 posted on 02/27/2008 6:21:30 AM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: Biblebelter

“This conservative is lying to himself. Conservatives did not allow the Democrats to take back congress in 2006.”

Agree with you 100% it seems that as they say 2 years in politics is a lifetime, we lost the house and senate for a very simple reason, easily researched, and apparently easily forgotten by many.

The CANDIDATES behavior and inept campaigning caused them to loose!


7 posted on 02/27/2008 6:22:51 AM PST by pennboricua
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Conservatives will start winning when they actually do something about the size and scope of government instead of just talking about it. Cutting taxes is the only thing they actually do so they allow the Dems to frame the debate. They continue to pour money into failed programs.


8 posted on 02/27/2008 6:27:23 AM PST by pas
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To: PlainOleAmerican
Have conservatives really lost sight of who the real enemy is here? Do they really accept no personal responsibility for how we got here, or what happens next? Are they really throwing in the towel, not just for the GOP, but for the nation, or are they simply having a momentary temper tantrum?

Conservatives are simply mavericking. After all, it seems to be the way to "win" elections. We have learned from the best maverick out there, the one who never lost sight of his REAL enemy, ie, Conservatives.

(fussing about the base's destructive tendency to litmus-test their way out of an actual human being, has ZERO to do with McCain. It is a separate argument, McCains problem is not just policy, most of us can disagree with this or that, it is his trustworthiness and loyalty and absolute refusal to defend us, his constant attacks on us, and his heart and gut, which are with the Democrat Party)
9 posted on 02/27/2008 6:29:29 AM PST by roses of sharon (Who will be McCain's maverick?)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Conservatives, be they economic or social, have been kicked in the teeth and undermined by the DC Republicans.

Think of all of the Conservatives who donated time to passage of the One man, One woman=Marriage, only to be shot in the back by the idiot Hastert’s coddling of Mark Foley.

Or, economic Conservatives who were appalled at the Pork Spending, yet the DC Repubs kept going back to the earmark well.

Or National Defense Conservatives who cannot reconcile a Open Border and a War on Terrorism and Terrorists.

The problems isn’t Joe America, it’s the DC Elite Republicans who are not consistent and do not take Conservatism seriously.


10 posted on 02/27/2008 6:30:24 AM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3/Cry havoc and let slip the RINOS)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Editorials are opinions and editorialists can never seem to find the target when shooting at me. I’m voting conservative for my own reasons and I’m tired of trying to explain it to GOPers who continue to lose because they think they can dictate thought.


11 posted on 02/27/2008 6:31:18 AM PST by cripplecreek (Voting CONSERVATIVE in memory of 5 children killed by illegals 2/17/08 and 2/19/ 08)
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To: Biblebelter

You buy into the MSM American demographics reports. This writer doesn’t and neither do I.

Bush actually lost by a half million votes in 2000. He won in 2004 by more than 3 million votes however and that was directly due to his handling of 9/11 and the war on terror.

Then he and the RINO controlled congress used that political capital to push leftist domestic policies and conservative did indeed let Democrats take both houses back in ‘06.

Here’s the REAL reality of American demographics.

More than 90% of American claim a faith in God.
More than 70% claim the Christian Faith.

Yet the 4% who claim atheists beliefs are running roughshod over the vast majority on free religious expression, abortion, freedom, liberty, you name it.

The small minority is beating the vast majority like a drum.

50% of eligiable voters don’t vote at all, nbot because they don’t care, but because they lost faith in the system that offers tham NO candidate to vote for. Most of these folks are conservatives who see only liberals on their ballot.

50% of those who do vote, or 25% of the electorate, now votes themselves gifts from the treasury in every election and all Democrats pander to this group.

25% or the other 50% of active voters are Republicans, but many are now confused about what that means, because they too have trouble telling a difference between Democrats and Republicans right now.

But if you look at what happened in 1994, when the Gingrich Contract with American swept Republicans into control of both houses for the first time in 40 years, and it all happened on strict conservative values and principles, then you should know that America has many more conservatives than it has Republicans... They just don’t have a party right now...

(Excuse any rush typos)


12 posted on 02/27/2008 6:32:10 AM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican
On the face of it, this is a very well written essay, but I see no real proof of its conclusions from the facts at hand:

1) McCain sucks! - Agreed.

shoot the two most dangerous attackers and go hand to hand with the least of the threats remaining.

A whole lot of people believe that McCain is not the least of the threats, and they have, contrary to the writer's opinion, a valid point.

To address none of the three is certain suicide.

Fearmongering. Talk about useless.

The socialist minority will continue to win so long as conservatives fail to unite in productive measure. 3) Conservative principles are not welcome in any socialist country.

All agreed.

So, stopping Democratic Socialists from sitting in the Oval Office at any cost is a must.

Here is where the leap is made. - The only must is that we "must" stop Republican liberals from sitting in the GOP - We can deal with the democrats anytime that we do.
The writer is correct - We must unite to throw out the RINOs and leftists.
If the GOP and the RNC are so stupid as to continue to move left, then AMF to them. - Goodbye.

It won’t change anything, but you can sound more conservative at cocktail parties by showing how smart you are to recognize this reality.

Apparently, the writer is indulging in this right now.

13 posted on 02/27/2008 6:35:20 AM PST by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: TADSLOS

Who is the liberal posing as a conservative? You?


14 posted on 02/27/2008 6:36:04 AM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: Biblebelter
The Keating Five Guy can get every Republican vote there is, but the younger

He will not even get that.

15 posted on 02/27/2008 6:38:08 AM PST by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

I get it.

It’s my fault.

We’re stuck with the radical left wing nutcase, McCain, who will peddle the exact same agenda as Hillobama, only with a lot of conservatives cheering his slaughter of the Republic, because the primary is long over before I even get to vote in it.


16 posted on 02/27/2008 6:38:58 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (And close the damned borders!)
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To: pennboricua

Then both of you are ill-informed.

Go back and read all the conservative blogger messages from conservatives who were going to “teach the RNC a lesson” in 2006. Then go study the election data of the 2006 cycle.

Conservatives revolted against liberal Bush & RNC policies in 2006. The RNC also allowed themselves to be successfully demonized in the war on terror and lost the confidence of the voters for a long list of reasons, some real, some imaginary.


17 posted on 02/27/2008 6:39:17 AM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: pas

Yes, but conservatives must be sent to Washington before that will happen.

How do we do that?

Liberals seem to have figured out how to advance their agenda. Why haven’t conservatives figured out how to advance theirs?


18 posted on 02/27/2008 6:40:50 AM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Reagan did not beat Carter on conservative principles. He was TALLER, looked more Presidential, and had ten times the charm. The fact that he was a great leader was the bonus. Clinton beat the promise breaking George Bush because, he was more likeable than some clown that made promises to the American people that he was not man enough to keep. Dole would have made a better President than Clinton but he was just not as likeable as a treacherous sex criminal.


19 posted on 02/27/2008 6:41:43 AM PST by Biblebelter (I will NEVER EVER vote for McCain or any other current Senator.)
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To: roses of sharon

But like McCain, they are “mavericking” against their own, not against the enemy???


20 posted on 02/27/2008 6:42:16 AM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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