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Honolulu PD, NRA Square Off On Rifle Debate
KITV-4 (Hawaii) ^ | 2/22/08 | n/a

Posted on 02/25/2008 8:38:35 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

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To: Emperor Palpatine
"Explosive" decompression of an airliner from a bullet hole is a myth. To get "explosive" decompression you need a hole the size of a door.

Even with explosive decompression, only those not buckled in are in real danger. There was an incident in the early 80s (I think) where an airliner lost a good section of the roof due to metal fatigue. Sadly a a flight attendant was killed because she was unbuckled performing her duties. The plane still managed to land.
101 posted on 02/25/2008 10:00:42 AM PST by ChromeDome (Every person's death diminishes me. Some more than others.)
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To: SoldierDad
BTW, you're aware, of course, that .50 BMG rifles ARE now outlawed in California?

And guess what Ronnie Barrett at Barrett arms did... His company developed, and now sells, the same rifle chambered for a new, proprietary cartridge: The .416 Barrett. Not quite as large as the .50 BMG, but with better long-range ballistics that keep it supersonic, and thus more accurate at even longer ranges than his company's .50 BMG rifles.

Thus, the gun-grabbers have legislated more of what they DON'T want: Better guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. (None for the cops, though. If my understanding is correct, Barrett won't sell ANY rifles to police dept's in the state of CA. Where's the legitimate police / law enforcement usage for those things?)

"No problem", you say, "we'll just outlaw those mean ol' .416 rifles too"? Right?

102 posted on 02/25/2008 10:00:54 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: SoldierDad

You do realize that the most dangerous weapons available to a common criminal is a small caliber concealable handgun, or a knife, don’t you?

How much crime do you think is prevented by keeping A10 warthogs out of the hands of citizens? M1 abrams tanks? Land mines? shoulder fired missiles?

Use your brain, bud.


103 posted on 02/25/2008 10:02:46 AM PST by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: SoldierDad

“Other than the pure excitement of shooting such a weapon, does this gun have any legitimate purpose for civilian use? I would be in support of this weapon not being available for civilian purchase.”

It is best used for armed revolution and protecting yourself from government.

Oh yeah... That’s what the 2nd amendment is about! It has nothing to do with hunting. Your ignorance is showing.


104 posted on 02/25/2008 10:03:41 AM PST by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: MacDorcha

I believe that the public should have sufficient firepower to make it very unlikely the police or the military would try to do certain things that are against our U.S. Constitution. If you disagree, that’s fine by me.

What you have basicly signed on to, is the idea that our government knows best and we should never be able to challenge it.

Good luck with that.

I’m not basicly anti-police or anti-government. When I see the government do things like burning 80 men women and chidren to death with no questions asked, I get a wee bit nervous.


105 posted on 02/25/2008 10:07:44 AM PST by DoughtyOne (We've got Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dumb & Tweedle Dumber left. Name them in order. I dare ya.)
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To: SoldierDad
Other than the pure excitement of shooting such a weapon, does this gun have any legitimate purpose for civilian use

To even ask such a thing means you don't know WHY we have a second amendment. Look it up.
106 posted on 02/25/2008 10:08:07 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Beagle8U

“You can buy one but it will be shipped to a licensed FFA dealer where you pick it up.”

Where all applicable background checks and paperwork will be completed before you can take possession.


107 posted on 02/25/2008 10:08:59 AM PST by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: SoldierDad
Well, then, I want my F-22. I want to be able to own an Abrams tank. I want to have a battleship or an Aircraft Carrier.

If you can afford to own and operate any or all of them, be my guest.

But we both know you can't. But maybe a .50 BMG is in your budget range and if so, get one

But in the mean time, you need to keep your hands off of other people's weaponry.

108 posted on 02/25/2008 10:11:02 AM PST by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: Mogollon

There is a self loading version of a 50 cal...


109 posted on 02/25/2008 10:11:22 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Puppage
A bullet hole cannot bring down an aircraft.

These guys are obviously not watching Mythbusters.....

110 posted on 02/25/2008 10:15:00 AM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient? "I know everything so you dont have to...." ;)
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To: rellimpank

250 rounds of .50 belted in cans would be almost 50 cans...that’s an awful lot of space for something like an F-4 or similar....


111 posted on 02/25/2008 10:16:50 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: kittycatonline.com
the range out by Sandy Beach on the east side of the island.

And the liberals are trying to shut it down now. The new angle is "stray bullets" may endanger people hiking up the old rail line on Koko Crater. First they posted keep out signs on the trail, gathered in the expected outcry, and blamed it all on the rifle range.

The fact that the range has been there decades with no such accidents is irrelevant of course.........

112 posted on 02/25/2008 10:17:10 AM PST by doorgunner69
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To: kiriath_jearim

***but in most states, a person can buy it over the Internet or from a gun store***

Why are they so stupid?

Before even finishing the article.


113 posted on 02/25/2008 10:18:08 AM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: relictele

Yep, good point.


114 posted on 02/25/2008 10:19:09 AM PST by DoughtyOne (We've got Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dumb & Tweedle Dumber left. Name them in order. I dare ya.)
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To: Dead Corpse
The only “fear mongers” here are nitwits like you trying to ban a perfectly serviceable firearm for the most inaccurate and specious reasons I’ve ever heard

Nah, it is only that if you disagree with him you become a fear mongering nit wit.

He rejects the emphasis of the 2A, shall not be infringed.

He rejects history and once common practices of having private arms.

He rejects the notion of personal freedom in what was once condsidered a free country.

He doesn't trust other citizens with freedom, but I'll bet that he wouldn't mind owning a Barret, etc if he could afford it....just won't allow the "little people" to have one.

115 posted on 02/25/2008 10:19:48 AM PST by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: DoughtyOne
Yes, in the article it states $8,000 each
L A R Grizzly offers a .50 bmg, single shot for a mere $2350.
116 posted on 02/25/2008 10:21:08 AM PST by ol' hoghead (He is not here; for he is risen.)
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To: All

***The rifle can fire 10 rounds in 10 seconds, and the bullets can travel for miles,***

The Mad Minute - http://www.thegunzone.com/practice.html


117 posted on 02/25/2008 10:21:26 AM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: SoldierDad
Well, so much for the idiotic belief in Freedom of Speech. I'm being flamed for practicing mine.

Wow, is Congress making any laws that infringe your right to free speech?

No!

But do you get to enjoy a well deserved flaming for your idiotic words and disgust for Constitutional rights?

Asolutely!

118 posted on 02/25/2008 10:22:48 AM PST by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: Dead Corpse
“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity”

Sigmund Freud

119 posted on 02/25/2008 10:22:52 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: SoldierDad
does this gun have any legitimate purpose for civilian use?

I'll check that historic document, the "Bill of Legitimate Purposes".

120 posted on 02/25/2008 10:23:10 AM PST by humblegunner
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