Posted on 02/24/2008 5:17:27 PM PST by K-oneTexas
Ping to FR’s preeminent Islamic scholar.
You have three wives? Then how many mothers-in-law?
You have a verse, "there is no compulsion in religion". We hold that verse to be true. We are aware that some of your scholars teach that it is superceded by other verses. We deny it. We hold they those scholars are introducing their personal opinions and placing them above the word of the Koran. We consider them heretics and innovators, however long their traditions, and claim that they are following only themselves.
We do not expect every Muslim country to agree with us in this respect. In the long run, we will wage war until you say, "there is no compulsion in religion". But practically, we may make truces with some of your nations from time to time, as it suits us, even where you refuse to say this. These are truces only, for practical reasons. We concede nothing thereby on the principle, and reserve the right to wage war again until you say, "there is no compulsion in religion", with your own Koran.
In our own countries, we have made our laws in conformity with that verse. Historically we fought among ourselves for a long time before settling that this was the only true religious attitude, as we found that religion compelled, is not religion. True inward faith is required for religion, and it is destroyed by compulsion in these matters. Whether you agree with this or not, we require you while residing in our countries as guests, to abide by our understanding of the matter. If you like, you may say that while in our countries, you are in the situation Muhammad was in when he proclaimed that verse.
If, while a guest in our country, you contradict our law in this matter, then we hold you an open enemy, as well as a heretic and an innovator and a troublemaker. We will declare war on you and your blood shall be licit. In practice we may prefer to imprison such troublemakers, or to deport them. This is entirely up to us. We will consider anyone's publically contradicting the verse "there is no compulsion in religion" while a guest in our countries, itself an act of war that makes your blood licit for us. If we choose, we may have harser measures for those who so act than for those who only teach it, but even teaching it is an act of war and suspends our hospitality. What you do in your own countries is your own affair, up to the statement above, that in the long run we shall wage war upon you until you accept your own Koran, on this matter, and reject the self appointed revisions of it by heretics and troublemakers.
That is how this should be dealt with.
Fine question BTW.
up yours muhammed
If we can rid the DNC of Socialist DINOs (Democrats In Name Only), the RINOs we picked up from the Democrat party would have a home again in their OWN party.
As it is now, the political tug of war is pushing the political “middle” Left.
Bill Clinton already went on record (last year?) saying that the cartoonists should be prosecuted.
>>By reprinting these cartoons we are heading toward a bigger conflict and that shows that both sides will be hostages of their radicals.<<
The problem with this analysis is that Westerners don’t think think belief in freedom of speech makes one a radical... and the other side doesn’t seem to think that killing people to oppose freedom of speech is radical.
Thus, a meeting of the minds appears to not be possible.
Fight it now? Fully half of our current electorate see no problem with importing jihadists and Mexicans.
In a couple of generations islamists and Mexicans will control our congress.
read later
jeez e that will leave a mark...
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The great ideas of the West — rationalism, self-criticism, the disinterested search for truth, the separation of church and state, the rule of law and equality under the law, freedom of thought and expression, human rights, and liberal democracy — are superior to any others devised by humankind. It was the West that took steps to abolish slavery; the calls for abolition did not resonate even in Africa, where rival tribes sold black prisoners into slavery. The West has secured freedoms for women and racial and other minorities to an extent unimaginable 60 years ago. The West recognizes and defends the rights of the individual: we are free to think what we want, to read what we want, to practice our religion, to live lives of our choosing.
...Nor does the West need lectures on the superior virtue of societies in which women are kept in subjection under sharia, endure genital mutilation, are stoned to death for alleged adultery, and are married off against their will at the age of nine; societies that deny the rights of supposedly lower castes; societies that execute homosexuals and apostates. The West has no use for sanctimonious homilies from societies that cannot provide clean drinking water or sewage systems, that make no provisions for the handicapped, and that leave 40 to 50 percent of their citizens illiterate.’
bingo ...that lady know how to hit the bullseye every time..
I was answering Old Sarge’s assertion that he might find 3-4 wives... ehhh,,,,, more enjoyable!
4 mothers in law? I wonder if the average islamo would define that as Hell on Earth?
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