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To: nmh
"spoilt white students from wealthy families."

Geez Louise! I was there, too ('73-'77). There were certainly some of those (and boy were they a pain), but the vast majority were from middle class families more or less like Mrs. Obama's . . . whose parents had to scrimp and save to pay the outrageous tuition. There just aren't enough wealthy families to go around to fill out all the student bodies of all the Ivies, let alone Princeton which is still sort of the poor cousin, the 'most Southern of the Ivies'.

She's had a chip on her shoulder from the git-go. And for no good reason.

46 posted on 02/24/2008 10:28:07 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother
“She’s had a chip on her shoulder from the git-go. And for no good reason.”

I always wonder WHY the chip on the shoulder with SO MANY ADVANTAGES than even WHITES didn’t have?

You would think that chip would fall of her shoulder and she’d thrive in accomplishment not associated with skin color. I don’t understand why that didn’t happen to her and other BLACK racists.

56 posted on 02/24/2008 11:07:29 AM PST by nmh (Mike Huckabee the "religious" humanist that pushes socialism! (Clinton/Carter combo))
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To: AnAmericanMother
Geez Louise! I was there, too ('73-'77). There were certainly some of those (and boy were they a pain), but the vast majority were from middle class families more or less like Mrs. Obama's . . . whose parents had to scrimp and save to pay the outrageous tuition.

But the non-legacy, middle-class students were generally very bright, based on the SAT range I see that's needed to get into the Ivy's. Meanwhile, according to The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education:

For admission to the very highest ranked, brand-name schools such as Princeton or MIT, applicants need scores of 750 to be considered for admission. Yet, as we shall see, only a minute percentage of black test takers score at these levels. Thus, if high-ranking colleges and universities were to abandon their policies of race-sensitive admissions, they will be choosing their first-year students from an applicant pool in which there will be practically no blacks.

Let's be more specific about the SAT racial gap among high-scoring applicants. In 2005, 153,132 African Americans took the SAT test. They made up 10.4 percent of all SAT test takers. But only 1,132 African-American college-bound students scored 700 or above on the math SAT and only 1,205 scored at least 700 on the verbal SAT. Nationally, more than 100,000 students of all races scored 700 or above on the math SAT and 78,025 students scored 700 or above on the verbal SAT. Thus, in this top-scoring category of all SAT test takers, blacks made up only 1.1 percent of the students scoring 700 or higher on the math test and only 1.5 percent of the students scoring 700 or higher on the verbal SAT.

If we eliminate Asians and other minorities from the statistics and compare just white and black students, we find that 5.8 percent of all white SAT test takers scored 700 or above on the verbal portion of the test. But only 0.79 percent of all black SAT test takers scored at this level. Therefore, whites were more than seven times as likely as blacks to score 700 or above on the verbal SAT. Overall, there are more than 39 times as many whites as blacks who scored at least 700 on the verbal SAT.

If we raise the top-scoring threshold to students scoring 750 or above on both the math and verbal SAT — a level equal to the mean score of students entering the nation's most selective colleges such as Harvard, Princeton, and CalTech — we find that in the entire country 244 blacks scored 750 or above on the math SAT and 363 black students scored 750 or above on the verbal portion of the test. Nationwide, 33,841 students scored at least 750 on the math test and 30,479 scored at least 750 on the verbal SAT. Therefore, black students made up 0.7 percent of the test takers who scored 750 or above on the math test and 1.2 percent of all test takers who scored 750 or above on the verbal section

Yet places like Harvard have student bodies whose black percentage is close to the percentage in the general population

In order to make their numbers, the Ivys have to admit Blacks who are not just somewhat below the ability level of their white admissions, but dramatically lower, low enough that they simply cannot compete in the same classroom according to the same standards

85 posted on 02/24/2008 3:30:54 PM PST by PapaBear3625
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