Dearest Bob, people give their opinions on FR. That's why we post. Why would it be okay for the first two groups to opine and not the third?
What kind of message does that send to other stinking RINOs? What kind of messege does it send to them if we elect him?
He can't be trusted. If this country goes to hell, let it be hung around the democRATs necks, NOT the Republicans.
If it's Hillary, I know how I'm voting, If it's Obama, I'll probably end up voting for the POS RINO.
I guess that makes a 4th group.
Q: How many of your civil rights and liberties are you willing to sacrifice per election just to get an (R) elected?
One thing I don’t get: it’s OK with you for us to vote third party, but it’s not OK for us to try to convince others to do so? If we believe something that’s OK to believe, then why can’t we advocate those beliefs to others? That seems inconsistent.
I belong to a 4th group. I viscerally dislike McCain and thinking he is lying, stinking, steaming sack of waste matter. But I see no other choice but to vote for him even though Hussein Obama will beat him like a drum in the General election.
Well, it’s probably a moot point anyway, since McLame is almost certain to lose. The Obamanation express is on track to derail all things right and good, and it doesn’t look like anything can stop it.
That being said, I guess I’ll vote for McLame, in the forlorn hope that even a RINO can defeat a true socialist son of a muzzie.
But I’m not overly hopeful.
100% of the push back against insane mccain is because his supporters continually try to force people to vote for him. If no one posts the BS of vote for McCain no will will post back.
Pushing for a McCain and a GOP loss? Not at all.
Not willing to vote for McCain, or any of the pretenders for POTUS is simply a way of saying ... "You want a socialist / nanny state government? ... I won't be a part of it."
Call it a Conservative thing.
McCain Feingold, McCain Leiberman, McCain Kennedy. Gang of 14 Torture Amendment. Baker Commission. etc etc etc etc
Considering that a good chunk of the people on this board are completely pissed at GW Bush for being too Liberal, why would you expect them to support a guy who spent the last 8 years agreeing more with Ted Kennedy then with GW Bush?
Based on his record, what do you assume McCain will fight his good friends, the Senate Democrats, to accomplish for you?
Considering the GOP has not backed a candidate pledging to raise taxes in over 50 years, asking us to back a GOP candidate eager to raise the Fed Gas Tax $.50 a gallon to fight the myth of global warming is no easy sell.
You claim “well McCain will be better then the other side”.
Really? On what base do we make that assumption? Is letting the GOP evolve into a Democrat Lite party of tax and spend “moderates” under McCain’s leadership going to be less damaging to the long term health of the country then a 4 year term of a neophyte radical whose agenda is going to die a miserable, ugly legislative death in Congress?
McCain was never my first choice but to vote for Obama or not to vote at all is to become no better than liberals who are either domestic enemies or useful idiots. To think that there is no difference between Obama and McCain or that we can control or survive an Obama Regime is insanity. Obama will abandon the Middle East to Al-Queda and Iran. The Islamofascists who want to convert or kill all of us will have access to all that oil money and be able to purchase weapons of mass destruction. Will a dozen of our major cities destroyed by chemical, biological or nuclear weapons be enough to satisfy you ideological purists? Thanks a lot.
Thank you for opening this dialogue. I, for one, have a similar sense of mystification at the mindset of group #1 (the McCain supporters).
For me, it’s fairly straightforward.
In the short run, we would get more of what we want with McCain in office, I grant you. HOWEVER, if I’m going to have a liberal in office, happily destroying what’s left of our society and country, I’d rather it be a DEMOCRAT liberal than a Republican liberal.
Then, when what-goes-around-comes-around comes around, we can elect a conservative Republican, and start rebuilding. In addition, our party is not contaminated by our accepting / supporting a RINO for our candidate. Once THAT happens, that detestable breed has their foot in the door of our party forever... and we’ll find ourselves with someone just as bad as McCain the next time around - you, know, Arlen Specter, or one of the other RINOs we know so well.
Beyond all that, I simply believe that John McCain is temperamentally unequipped to be President. I think he has anger management issues, and screw lose, and I don’t care if it’s because he was tortured during the war. Someone as unstable as he is should simply NOT be President, from either party, at any time.
Hope this helps :-)
And if McCain loses,will you blame those who didn’t feel they could vote for him,or the candidate?
With all due respect to you, there are none nastier in this forum that those who support McCain. They resort to name-calling and trash talking even faster than the Rudybots did in the past. Many of them have taken me from just disliking McCain to being outright hostile towards his candidacy, though I make every attempt to keep my hostility from my remarks.
"It may be as simple as "misery loves company". It may be that you validate your own position by getting others to believe as you do. It may be that there are some dem propaganda plants on FR."
I wonder why you seem to think there might be something wrong with those of us that won't vote for McCain. The very premise of your query is that we must be miserable or democrat trolls. It is human nature and, certainly in political discussions, fairly normal to attempt to get others to see and possibly even agree with your point of view. Please make an attempt to understand that there is not necessarily something defective about being anti-McCain.
There is nothing inherently defective in the line of thought that support for a liberal republican candidate helps move the GOP even further to the left. There are some of us that would actually like to see the party get back to a more conservative place, and it is unlikely to move to the right by nominating and electing a lefty.
Vote for Huckabee in the remaining primaries to send McCain a message.
“As flawed as McCain is there is no way a logical case can be made that we would be better off under Obama or Hillary (O&H).”
That’s your opinion.
There is a 4th which says they’ll vote for Hillary/Obama but attempt to hold the down ticket slots......
I don’t expect to dissuade one single person from voting for McCain. I don’t have that kind of power. I’m just stating an opinion. I won’t vote for him. If you want to, that’s fine with me.
Yours is just another post, albeit a polite one, telling the people you don’t agree with to “shut up.” You want to support McCain, do it.
“Even on most issues where McCain is closer to the left than to us, O&H are much farther to the left than he is and would do much more damage than McCain.”
That’s a guess.
I don’t think having RINO McCain as President will cause all future Republican presidents to be RINOs. Ford was a RINO and the next GOP president after him was Reagan.
Still, I’m not sure if there’s enough difference between McCain and Hillary to make it worth it to vote for McCain. I do believe that there is enough difference between McCain and Obama to make it worth it to vote for McCain. McCain’s loyalty is to McCain. Hillary’s loyalty is to Hillary. Obama’s loyalty is to any anti-American dictator he can find.
Two things have come up recently in McCain’s favor - his vote in favor of waterboarding and the fact that the New York Times hates him. However, I can never like or even really respect McCain, and if he does get my vote it will not be for him, but against Obama.