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To: SandRat; plain talk; underground

The Bill of Rights is not a full listing of our rights that is why the 9th and 10th are included. I know our rights are God given but how do we determine what are rights and what are merely privleges? The 9th seems to open up almost anything as a right to us as long as the Consitution does not allow the govt to limit or regulate whatever “it” is.

9th amendment: “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

In other words there are some out there that were not included by the founders.

I’ve asked attorneys this and have not gotten a satisfying answer.


55 posted on 02/22/2008 5:24:35 PM PST by Round 9
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To: FJB2

Since Canada and England have people dying from socialized medicine, and we don’t have many cases of people dying for lack of capitalist care, I would argue that socialized medicine DEFINITIVELY DEPRIVES CITIZENS OF THE RIGHT TO LIFE, thus IS UNconstitutional.


57 posted on 02/22/2008 5:26:34 PM PST by tbw2 (Science fiction with real science - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: FJB2
..deny or disparage others retained by the people.. They are what you have, not what the GOOBERment take$ from other$ and pander$ to you with.
63 posted on 02/22/2008 5:32:55 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: FJB2
In other words there are some (rights) out there that were not included by the founders

I'm at a loss why you state this way. You have it backwards. The Constitution again does NOT state our rights. It states limits of government. So no rights were left out.

Another point is that the Constitution outlines limits on government to protect our individual rights. Hillary is misdefining "rights" as the right of individuals to demand government to pay their bills. This is not covered by the Constitution. Lots of people simply don't know what the Constitution is.

77 posted on 02/22/2008 5:44:26 PM PST by plain talk
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To: FJB2
Justice Clarence Thomas on Rights, Privileges, and Immunities:

[Justice Washington in Corfield, 1825] endorsed the colonial-era conception of the terms "privileges" and "immunities," concluding that Article IV encompassed only fundamental rights that belong to all citizens of the United States.4 Id., at 552.    

--Justice Thomas

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"The inquiry is, what are the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states?" We feel no hesitation in confining these expressions to those privileges and immunities which are, in their nature, fundamental; which belong, of right, to the citizens of all free governments; and which have, at all times, been enjoyed by the citizens of the several states which compose this Union, from the time of their becoming free, independent, and sovereign."

What these fundamental principles are, it would perhaps be more tedious than difficult to enumerate. They may, however, be all comprehended under the following general heads: Protection by the government; the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the right to acquire and possess property of every kind, and to pursue and obtain happiness and safety; subject nevertheless to such restraints as the government may justly prescribe for the general good of the whole. The right of a citizen of one state to pass through, or to reside in any other state, for purposes of trade, agriculture, professional pursuits, or otherwise; to claim the benefit of the writ of habeas corpus; to institute and maintain actions of any kind in the courts of the state; to take, hold and dispose of property, either real or personal; and an exemption from higher taxes or impositions than are paid by the other citizens of the state; may be mentioned as some of the particular privileges and immunities of citizens, which are clearly embraced by the general description of privileges deemed to be fundamental: to which may be added, the elective franchise, as regulated and established by the laws or constitution of the state in which it is to be exercised.

These, and many others which might be mentioned, are, strictly speaking, privileges and immunities, and the enjoyment of them by the citizens of each state, in every other state, was manifestly calculated (to use the expressions of the preamble of the corresponding provision in the old articles of confederation) "the better to secure and perpetuate mutual friendship and intercourse among the people of the different states of the Union."

--Justice Washington, Corfield

95 posted on 02/22/2008 6:28:49 PM PST by Ken H
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