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Russia's NATO envoy warns alliance against overstepping mandate in Kosovo
Tha Canadian Press ^ | February, 22, 2008

Posted on 02/22/2008 12:14:12 PM PST by processing please hold

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To: Tailgunner Joe
That’s not an option. Wishing doesn’t make it so.

And why shouldn't it be an option? We share more in common with the Russkies than we'll ever share even with the most westernized Muzzies.

As we fight the Russians, (even by proxy), we consequently allow the Muzzies further oppurtunities to advance their caliphate, much as occured in the first millenium AD when Western and Eastern Christendom were too busy fighting each other to resist the common enemy.

History repeats itself, first as tragedy and then as farce...again and again and again.

41 posted on 02/22/2008 2:37:41 PM PST by E. Cartman (Huckaboob will never be Vice President.)
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To: E. Cartman

Ask Russia. They don’t want to be our friend, they want to help Iran kill our soldiers in Iraq. They are still burning from their humiliating defeat in the Cold War at the hand of Ronald Reagan. Their KGB leader Putin laments the collapse of the Soviet Union. He wants revenge for the loss of the EVIL EMPIRE he faithfully served all his adult life.


42 posted on 02/22/2008 2:46:50 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: MarMema

You are a sucker to think Putin will lift a finger to help the Serbs.


43 posted on 02/22/2008 2:49:21 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: microgood
"We are using them as pawns in a larger game of chess."

"Lady, I only play two games; Chess, and Bad Chess!" -- Political advisor Corbin Dallas

44 posted on 02/22/2008 2:52:07 PM PST by NicknamedBob (If straw man Obama hadn't been so active, Dorothy's water toss wouldn't have made Hillary melt down.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; MarMema; TexConfederate1861

“Their KGB leader Putin laments the collapse of the Soviet Union. He wants revenge for the loss of the EVIL EMPIRE he faithfully served all his adult life.”

That may well be what motivates him. or perhaps he is motivated by a restoration of the Third Rome. Frankly, I have more confidence in the sincerity of Putin’s Orthodoxy than I do in that man Bush’s supposed Christianity. I’ve never seen Putin grovel in front of Mohammedans. Bush has raised that to an art form. Putin doesn’t disgrace Russia. The groveling Bush disgraces America almost every day.

Bottom line, as I said elsewhere, if I had to choose, which because Bush and his fellow travelers are finished politically is unlikely any time soon, I’d take the Third Rome of Holy Russia any day over centuries under the heel of the Mohammedan barbarians.


45 posted on 02/22/2008 2:54:54 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
Putin tried to legitimize suicide-bombing terrorists HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement) by inviting their representatives to the Kremlin. Putin even sent muslim Chechen "former rebels" to Lebanon as "peacekeepers" to help Hizballah wage jihad on Israel. It was under Putin that Russia officially joined the Organization of Islamic States. Putin explicitly ruled out any "Holy Alliance" with Christendom against Islam and said Russia was Islam's best friend in the world.

Vladmir Putin is the world's biggest dhimmi and slave of Islam. He is the source and enabler of islamofascism the world over.


46 posted on 02/22/2008 3:07:22 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Kolokotronis
Putin notes religious tolerance, peace-loving character of Russian Muslims - "Neighborliness, religious tolerance, peacefulness, justice, and care for friends have always been inherent to faithful Muslims in Russia notwithstanding ethnic origin or faith. These qualities are always lasting values."

Russia's Council of Muftis optimistic over future of independent Kosovo - "Kosovo has the right to exist as independent state. Today the joint cohabitation of Albanians and Serbians is impossible because of a long-sanding conflict between them. A lot of sacrifices were made," Nafigullah Ashirov, a co-chairman of the Russian Council of Muftis, told Interfax on Sunday.

47 posted on 02/22/2008 3:14:57 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: horse_doc; microgood
You both completely miss the point. Whom out there would support something different? McCain, Romney, Huckabee? Clinton, Obama, Edwards? Do you really believe that is would be different with someone other than G.W.?

Kosovo was destined to become an Independent state despite any U.N. Resolution an the NATO occupation since the late 1990's was a clear indication of that fact. Belgrade would never have control over that region again - The EU was and is addamant on that point. So it does not matter what Clinton, Bush or any future CIC would think - they are going to publicly support the policy of a greater EU - beacause that gets us one step closer to the goal. Make no mistake, they (The GOP and DNC) are all on the same page. It may sound like a conspiracy theory, but it is not. It is policy, policy that has been published for many years. (some call it globalism) Most people have been too busy to pay attention and when they do finally wake up and notice they assume there is a conspircacy afoot. But is really just a matter of so many people acting like Sheeple and actually being dumb enough to trust the SOB's they elected.

48 posted on 02/22/2008 3:18:37 PM PST by 7mmMag@LeftCoast (The DNC and Rino's: they put the CON into congress everyday.)
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To: Kolokotronis
LOL - see my reply to microgood.

Do you really believe that anything would be different with someone else in office? Of course we all know that a massive amount of oil dollars go to fund the Madras, Wahabist Sects and terrorist cells of both Shia and Sunni alignment. It has been that way since oil was first discovered in the middle east. But to $h*tmouth President Bush for the sins of all those that came before him and will come after him is useless.

Besides, that 8 years of Clinton's groveling and 4 years of Carter's groveling were no different. 4 or 8 more years of McCain, Obama, or Hillary groveling will make no change.

It will only change when the oil dries up, the money runs out and the Bedouin tribes are back to tents, camels and hacking each other up with their swords over who should have been the rightful Caliph.

So quit wasting our time spewing stupid rhetoric and come up with a viable solution. We desperatley need one and no one else seems to have the intellect or the balls to formulate a new plan.

I'm too busy with Halo 3 to bother with it right now.

49 posted on 02/22/2008 3:31:21 PM PST by 7mmMag@LeftCoast (The DNC and Rino's: they put the CON into congress everyday.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Thanks for the reply. It makes no sense politically, historically and culturally for the Russkies and ourselves to keep repeating the same mistakes countless times.


50 posted on 02/22/2008 3:32:54 PM PST by E. Cartman (Huckaboob will never be Vice President.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The evil empire is long gone--hail the new evil empire and you haven't gotten the word yet


Putin..? Ooops i mean Bush and masters

51 posted on 02/22/2008 3:44:02 PM PST by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: 7mmMag@LeftCoast

“So quit wasting our time spewing stupid rhetoric and come up with a viable solution. We desperatley need one and no one else seems to have the intellect or the balls to formulate a new plan.”

Piece of cake. Spend billions coming up with an alternative energy source instead of building legacies punctuated with the smoking ruins of Christian churches and pay offs to jihadis. And, 7, its not stupid rhetoric. Americans and Orthodox Christians are dead because of Bush’s embrace of the jihadis and his insane foreign policy. Believe me, I don’t excuse Clinton. I was in the Balkans when the bombs were dropping on Belgrade. I loath him and his witch of a wife and all of their fellow travelers, including the traitors in the State Department now and then and what they did down there.

There is nothing about Bush’s evil foreign policy which makes it appropriate simply because he claims to be a Republican any more than Clinton’s could be blessed by the name “Democrat”. That’s the sort of foolishness that gets Americans killed for elites here and abroad.


52 posted on 02/22/2008 3:46:09 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: processing please hold

Where will Greater Albania strike next?

Presevo Valley

Macedonia

Montenegro

Epirus

53 posted on 02/22/2008 3:53:18 PM PST by F-117A (Mr. Bush, have someone read UN Resolution 1244 to you!!!)
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To: Kolokotronis

Spend billions coming up with an alternative energy source instead of building legacies punctuated with the smoking ruins of Christian churches and pay offs to jihadis.


BINGO!


54 posted on 02/22/2008 3:53:21 PM PST by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: TexConfederate1861
“The next war will be caused by some damned fool thing in the Balkans!”

Otto Von Bismarck, Chancellor of Germany

He sure knew Germanic policies and proclivities!

55 posted on 02/22/2008 3:56:13 PM PST by F-117A (Mr. Bush, have someone read UN Resolution 1244 to you!!!)
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To: Kolokotronis
Alternative energy source = PWR, Pressurized Water Reactors. The navy has a damn good record with PWR's, they are a lot safer than the TMI or Chernobyl types and they are a helluva a lot more green than oil or coal fired plants.

Besides if you are going to have cars running on hydrogen then nuclear power is the only viable option.

I just think you are putting too much energy in villifying Bush, when the real culprits are those that form the leadership of both parties - they are all on the same page.

56 posted on 02/22/2008 4:31:52 PM PST by 7mmMag@LeftCoast (The DNC and Rino's: they put the CON into congress everyday.)
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To: 7mmMag@LeftCoast

“...the real culprits are those that form the leadership of both parties - they are all on the same page.”

I am 100% in agreement with that!


57 posted on 02/22/2008 5:25:29 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
Bottom line, as I said elsewhere, if I had to choose, which because Bush and his fellow travelers are finished politically is unlikely any time soon, I’d take the Third Rome of Holy Russia any day over centuries under the heel of the Mohammedan barbarians.

You are correct. Moreover, although we westerners often fail to live up to the standards posed to us by our Judaeo-Christian tradition, the Russkies included, at last we don't adhere to divine writ, The Qur'an, that intentionally reduces other human beings to second class status and misery.

I'm no apologists for the Russkies, but I fear the blood-stained hands of the ROP a whole lot more than I do the third Rome.

58 posted on 02/22/2008 6:05:55 PM PST by E. Cartman (Huckaboob will never be Vice President.)
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To: 7mmMag@LeftCoast

For one thing he kept American troops there.


59 posted on 02/22/2008 6:12:29 PM PST by sport
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To: 7mmMag@LeftCoast
Kosovo was destined to become an Independent state despite any U.N. Resolution an the NATO occupation since the late 1990's was a clear indication of that fact. Belgrade would never have control over that region again - The EU was and is addamant on that point. So it does not matter what Clinton, Bush or any future CIC would think - they are going to publicly support the policy of a greater EU - beacause that gets us one step closer to the goal. Make no mistake, they (The GOP and DNC) are all on the same page.

If your point is that Bush cannot stop globalization because that is just policy, I do not buy it. He is responsible for what foreign policy decisions are made under his watch. Maybe we need a president whose goal is not globalization and wants to have moral foreign policy where we do not interfere with sovereign countries.

Maybe we need a jolt from a leader that cares about America first to move our foreign policy in a better direction, but if Bush has his head up his a*s like he does on this issue, we are all within our rights to call him on it.

You may see it as serving no purpose, but I have not heard you come up with an alternative. Seems we have about 7000 troops we could pull out of that region if we want to, especially since an independent Kosovo with made up of two distinct and warring groups will require a permanent presence by NATO.
60 posted on 02/22/2008 6:50:29 PM PST by microgood
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