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To: GunRunner
If this is the case, then its as misguided a policy as trying to broker Middle East peace by having Israel negotiate with Fatah and Hamas.

Again, the mistaken analysis that Kosovo is a Christian versus Muslim conflict.

Most Serbs aren't practicing Christians and most Kosovar Albanians are not practicing Muslims.

Observant beleivers are a small minority in both these post-Communist, secularized populations.

The PDK is not Hamas.

This is a conflict between Albanians and Serbs.

a Muslim nation run by Muslims for Muslims who will continue to ethnically cleanse non-Muslim peoples

The population of ethnic Albanian Catholics in Kosovo is growing, while the population of ethnic Serbian Muslims (the Gorani Serbs) is declining.

Which again suggests that this is primarily an ethnic conflict.

One can hope that it will be more like Jordan and Turkey than Syria and Iran, but I would expect the latter knowing the leadership involved.

The brutal Thaci realizes that the only profitable path to the future is the kind of government that can earn EU approval.

There will be no one-party state in Kosovo as in Syria and there will be no sharia state in Kosovo like Iran.

It was never meant to be the guarantor of "regional security" ouside of the threat of the Eastern bloc countries.

NATO's entire value propsition to its constituent members was that it could guarantee collective security in Europe at a far lower cost than the collective security on offer from the Warsaw Pact.

Did the world not learn its lesson in 1918?

It is 2008, not 1914. And the Balkans are not magical.

The current situation is different - in many ways the diametric opposite - from the Balkan situation in 1914.

137 posted on 02/25/2008 10:44:33 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake
The population of ethnic Albanian Catholics in Kosovo is growing, while the population of ethnic Serbian Muslims (the Gorani Serbs) is declining.

OK, I've trusted your previous assertions respectfully at face value, but for this I'm going to call BS on before I see some evidence.

Even if this IS the case, we know that Muslims are infiltrating even the most Westernized cultures in Europe, we know that their birthrates are skyrocketing while the rest of Europes are plumetting, and we know many Muslims, both secularized and fanatic are looking for a doorway into Europe and the West.

Is there any indication or logical conclusion that you could make that says that they won't be flocking in record numbers to the new independant European state that is the first to be run and ruled by Muslims? I don't see how you could say that Kosovo is not or (if your prior point about population growth is correct) will not house a growing Muslim population with a straight face.

The brutal Thaci realizes that the only profitable path to the future is the kind of government that can earn EU approval.

Even if you're right about him, and I'd be willing to gamble that you're not, in the long term the direction of the country will not be something decided by him alone.

Knowing the fanaticism of even some of the Muslim populations living in very Westernized locations like London and Paris, I would be willing to guess that cooler heads will not prevail. The US can probably live with a Muslim nation plopped right in the middle of the most volatile region of Europe, but there was no reason for us to help make it happen, other than feel good emotional diplomacy from the school of Madeline Halfbright.

NATO's entire value propsition to its constituent members was that it could guarantee collective security in Europe at a far lower cost than the collective security on offer from the Warsaw Pact.

Hence, my point is made. No Warsaw Pact = No need for NATO. Let the damn EU deal with it, don't waste American tax dollars on it, and don't get us involved.

The current situation is different - in many ways the diametric opposite - from the Balkan situation in 1914.

Maybe you should say that the more things change, the more they stay the same. A small regional battle in the Balkans gets blown out of proportion and involves the main superpowers both politically and militarily.

Is the fact that we're involved there again 100 years after the assassination in Sarajevo a coincidence? Or is it a matter of the superpowers once again playing military chess where they have no business?

The Balkans are a mess, and not one American soldier or one American weapon should be wasted to try and fix it.

138 posted on 02/25/2008 11:24:44 AM PST by GunRunner (Vote for Obama, because the past is history, the future is yet to come, and platitudes are forever.)
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