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Obama: Ill equipped US Soldiers resort to using Talbian equipment in Afganistan
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/21/debate.transcript/index.html ^

Posted on 02/22/2008 8:01:39 AM PST by HD1200

OBAMA: You know, I’ve heard from an Army captain who was the head of a rifle platoon — supposed to have 39 men in a rifle platoon. Ended up being sent to Afghanistan with 24 because 15 of those soldiers had been sent to Iraq.

OBAMA: And as a consequence, they didn’t have enough ammunition, they didn’t have enough humvees. They were actually capturing Taliban weapons, because it was easier to get Taliban weapons than it was for them to get properly equipped by our current commander in chief.

OBAMA: Now, that’s a consequence of bad judgment. And you know, the question is, on the critical issues that we face right now, who’s going to show the judgment to lead? And I think that on every critical issue that we’ve seen in foreign policy over the last several years — going into Iraq originally, I didn’t just oppose it for the sake of opposing it. I said this is going to distract us from Afghanistan; this is going to fan the flames of anti-American sentiment; it’s going to cost us billions of dollars and thousands of lives and overstretch our military. And I was right.

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To: Terabitten

Weird, the second part of my reply didn’t post.

The AK74s are in 5.45mm.


81 posted on 02/22/2008 8:40:01 AM PST by Terabitten (Virginia Tech Corps of Cadets - E-Frat '94. Unity and Pride!)
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To: HD1200

A good question for this bozo is to describe the structure of an Army corp from the top down to see how fit he is to be CIC on ‘day one’.


82 posted on 02/22/2008 8:40:37 AM PST by ilgipper
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To: No Surrender No Retreat
Clinton and half Aspin POINTLY DENIED requests for armor for the Rangers. They did not just ignore them.
83 posted on 02/22/2008 8:41:36 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: PapaBear3625

DITTO PapaBear


84 posted on 02/22/2008 8:42:20 AM PST by 3IDVET ( What will you do when a terrorist TELLS you Convert or Die!!!!)
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To: HD1200

“I’ve heard from an Army captain”

Obama has access to the New York Times unnamed sources too??


85 posted on 02/22/2008 8:44:11 AM PST by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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To: All

I did 2 tours in A-Stan and in most circumstances when we rolled up caches or captured weapons after a firefight, we gave the weapons to the ANA (Afghan Army) for their use. We
rarely used their weapons for our own use, most of their Ak-47
were shitty condition or were pimped out with decorations etc. We prefered the accuracy and optics that we had with the M-4 system. So this assclown Obama is wrong, huh imagine that.


86 posted on 02/22/2008 8:44:47 AM PST by roughman ( roughmen stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm (orwell))
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To: HD1200

Ill equiped Obama, resorts to using worn out Soviet commentary.


87 posted on 02/22/2008 8:45:36 AM PST by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: o_zarkman44
Obama has access to the New York Times unnamed sources too??

Yeah, Move.org members after a trip to the local military surplus store.

88 posted on 02/22/2008 8:47:36 AM PST by Rush4U (unnamed source)
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To: Holicheese

Never heard of AF pilot that was a Sgt. Never heard of a pilot in the AF being allowed to work on his assigned aircraft let alone welding on it. Never heard of an FB-1170 either.


89 posted on 02/22/2008 8:47:55 AM PST by Always Independent
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To: PapaBear3625

I don’t either. My point was that his tall tale clearly defies logic on all levels, even if you assume the military would do something like this. But his followers motto is, “why let logic get in the way of an opportunity to be outraged?” so they won’t work it out, they’ll just drink the kool-aid and rail against the President. And the media will dutifully report both the tale and the outrage.


90 posted on 02/22/2008 8:48:37 AM PST by Hoffer Rand
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To: rlmorel

Yep, you’re right, M-16, M-4 is 5.56 (.223). I call BS on this whole story. When Obama falls he is going to fall hard as he says some of the most ignorant things you are likely to hear. The problem is, that right now, those listening and then believing what they hear are equally or even more ignorant. :)


91 posted on 02/22/2008 8:48:54 AM PST by WildcatClan (Try new Zen-Xanax McCain! Now with 80% fewer tantrums.)
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To: Renegade

The Ammo is not interchangable, although, I believe you can use a single AK round, you just have to manually pull out the case, manually insert another, charge the weapon and pull the trigger. Not too efficient. The AK is more jam resistant, but the M-16 is a much better weapon at long range, which is where you want to be.

Bottom line is that there is absolutely no shortage of weapons or ammunition in Afghanistan.


92 posted on 02/22/2008 8:49:57 AM PST by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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To: WildcatClan

Unfortunately, the ignorant are the majority now. Not a sunny picture. They only know one thing, they can vote themselves a raise at every election.


93 posted on 02/22/2008 8:50:35 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Not only that. They denied the request for armor support simply because they feared how it would be played in the US News media. So 19 good guys died because Clinton was worried about his approval ratings. The more I think about the 1990s, the more I remember why his wife must be not just beaten, she must be totally crushed so the Clintons can never be a force in national politics again.


94 posted on 02/22/2008 8:55:06 AM PST by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: Terabitten
Guys do get promoted, you know.

Which would make it possible that they guy Obama refers to was promoted, especially since he says that the guy "WAS" a platoon leader.

95 posted on 02/22/2008 8:55:25 AM PST by Shade2
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To: HD1200

Maybe Obama was talking to a al Quaeda Army Captain.


96 posted on 02/22/2008 8:56:19 AM PST by ricks_place
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To: windcliff

More islamist claptrap.


97 posted on 02/22/2008 8:56:34 AM PST by onedoug
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To: roses of sharon

And this dunce empty suit nitwit has a following of pure brain dead nitwits wants to be CIC. Damn, if anything should convince us to vote McCain nothing will. I am not a total McCain supporter, but 1/2 a conservative is better than this OOOOBBBBAAAMMMAAAA.


98 posted on 02/22/2008 8:57:20 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: MNJohnnie
It is misleading the way it is written.

You're right. Other articles are clearer on this.

99 posted on 02/22/2008 8:58:29 AM PST by Shade2
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To: Rush4U

Obama’s source is probably Che Gueverra himself.


100 posted on 02/22/2008 8:59:27 AM PST by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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