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GOP to Conservatives: Drop Dead
Townhall.com ^ | February 22, 2008 | Douglas MacKinnon

Posted on 02/22/2008 5:48:40 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: bert

What, are you drunk?


301 posted on 02/22/2008 4:12:33 PM PST by dforest
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302 posted on 02/22/2008 4:19:31 PM PST by Tiemieshooz (First round is on me)
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To: WOSG

Isn’t McCain one who prefers the praise of his opponents over the cooperation with his own party?

So to me that means that anything he says is subject to disbelief.

Do you implicitly trust him?

I don’t. A lot of other freepers don’t. Conservatives can’t.


303 posted on 02/22/2008 4:22:01 PM PST by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: rycharn

“When driving a car with a tendency to veer left, is it better to fix the car, or to redefine “road” in such a way that the road is always under the car? The GOP is asking us to redefine the road.”

GOP is not asking anything, except they would like your voting support for their candidates. GOP primary voters picked Mccain.

“The GOP establishment wants conservatives to back McCain. The problem is that the GOP has forgotten that conservatism is rooted in principle. “

McCain has not forgotten conservative principles, since he evoked them in his CPAC speech.

“And that’s what I see happening — Those who keep calling McCain a conservative are trying to redefine “conservative” to include someone who truly doesn’t fit the definition.”

Why dont you look at McCains CPAC speech and tell us where he redefining conservative inapprropriately. To his credit, McCain is not describing his deviations from conservative orthodoxy as conservative, but he is claiming to be steeped in conservative values due to his positions on spending etc. which are in line with that ...

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/02/019744.php

“Attention GOP: Instead of conservatives joining McCain, McCain needs to join conservatism. Yes, conservatives will ultimately choose McCain over the Democrat nominee — but I’d rather elect McCain because he promotes conservative values, not because he’s “better than the alternative.””

I certainly agree with that sentiment. Candidates reach out to voters not the other way around. The CPAC speech was a start, and his comments on ‘no new entitlement spending, no new taxes, end AMT,’ etc are encouraging. If he could get more real on immigration that would go a loong way too, although his ‘secure the border first’ was a step forward.

“There is only so much conservatives can do to “reach out” without abandoning their principles.”

How much abandonment of conservative principles are implied by letting the most liberal Senator in the US Senate become our President. What conservative principle are you citing when you imply that outcome of an Obama victory should be dismissed as not a concern?

What congressional district are you in? Conservatives need to support conservative Republicans in the many many races that we see a conservative v liberal running.

Hold our nose and vote mccain but put our real effort in helping downballot conservatives win. That’s the right ticket.

.. and whatever we do. do not let america elect obama. it would be a disaster.


304 posted on 02/22/2008 4:22:22 PM PST by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: WOSG
The rating is meaningless and manipulated. There is no significant difference between B.H. Obama, Hillary, and John McCain. If anything, McCain is even more obsessed with amnesty. He also lies more, giggles and talks to himself, and has serious health issues.
305 posted on 02/22/2008 4:23:18 PM PST by apocalypto
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To: Ol' Sparky

Obama will not cause a backlash. obama will remake America the same way Chavez and Castro remade theirs.


306 posted on 02/22/2008 4:25:22 PM PST by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: indylindy

......What, are you drunk?....

In vino....veritas


307 posted on 02/22/2008 4:28:14 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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To: bill1952
The conservatives are the rank and file.

The rest will find that out in the aftermath of the bloodbath of 08.

You'd think the catastrophic drop in *donations* would've tipped them off by now.

308 posted on 02/22/2008 4:34:54 PM PST by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: apocalypto
There is no significant difference between B.H. Obama, Hillary, and John McCain

Are you saying that the War on Terror is insignificant to you?

Are you Saying that OBama and Hillary are as fiscally conservative as McCain?

Are these insignificant differences to you?

309 posted on 02/22/2008 4:54:14 PM PST by oldbrowser (Ideologues are impractical.)
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To: WOSG

You are walking that fine line between advocate to shill.


310 posted on 02/22/2008 4:59:08 PM PST by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: cripplecreek
Men voting for Obama or sitting on their hands, when they can vote for a hawk in wartime, are throwing a hissyfit over not getting their way in the primary. They had half a dozen true conservatives and didn't manage to give any of them even 10% of the vote, then they blame anybody but themselves.

Real republicans actually vote republican. And real conservatives with any semblance of a sense of duty toward the country, do not hand it over to socialist tax raising defeatist pacifists at the onset of a recession and in the middle of a war.

You can spin all you like, but you aren't a conservative or a patriot, just a spoiled brat throwing a hissy fit.

311 posted on 02/22/2008 5:23:03 PM PST by JasonC
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To: JasonC
Real republicans actually vote republican.

Good for them. I don't claim to be a republican so throw your little tantrum elswhere little lady.
312 posted on 02/22/2008 5:31:16 PM PST by cripplecreek (Just call me M.O.M. (Maverick Opposed to McCain.))
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To: cripplecreek
That much is obvious. Shall we call you a rino or just a socialist tool?
313 posted on 02/22/2008 5:55:33 PM PST by JasonC
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To: JasonC

Call me whatever you want if you wish. It means nothing to me. Enjoy.


314 posted on 02/22/2008 5:57:07 PM PST by cripplecreek (Just call me M.O.M. (Maverick Opposed to McCain.))
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To: ontap
Am I wrong or wasn’t Geo. Bush the 1st turned out because the base left him.

READ MY LIPS. NO_NEW_RINOS

315 posted on 02/22/2008 6:05:41 PM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more.)
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To: highball
That would explain their support of Huckabee. Either the religious right is actually comprised of Christian Socialists, or they're just playing identity politics.

The Christian Right had no other dog in the hunt. Would you have them vote for one of the radical liberal pro-choice, pro-homosexual candidates (Giuliani, Romney), or one of the moderates that took away their voice with CFR (Thompson, McCain)?

Would that they had coalesced around Hunter or Tancredo... But then, the same could be said of the rest of the conservative factions as well. If we had been seeking a Reagan Coalition candidate, that is where we all should have been.

316 posted on 02/22/2008 6:22:03 PM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more.)
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To: oust the louse; KevinB
Ouch...I hope you don't teach your kids to give up this easily...enjoy OBAMA. If you don't vote you'll deserve him...

I teach my kids that the only thing they will ever truly own is their honor, and the only way to be honorable is to be principled and true.

McCain is a traitorous bastard. He is without honor. He is precisely what I warn my kids against.

Enjoy your liberal RINO. WHEN the Conservatives won't vote for him, he'll get what he deserves.

317 posted on 02/22/2008 6:49:05 PM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more.)
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To: WOSG
we conservatives need to show more confidence and recognize that the non-conservatives cannot run us out of the party nor can they control, if *we* stick together and stand up under a unifying conservative banner.

Brilliant!

It is this that is the root of the Reagan Coalition.

Reagan said that the vast majority of Americans are conservative, and he was right.

Reagan said that the various factions of Conservatism belong together, and need each other, not only for voting purposes, but because all of the conservative ideologies are interdependent, and require each the others- AND HE WAS RIGHT.

It goes against the spirit of the Reagan Coalition to vote for a candidate who is a defcon, but not a socon or ficon too. None should be made to hold their nose. No faction should be forced to submit to the others.

It is only when we are equally in favor of (or opposed to) a candidate that any of us have power for change. But when we do unite, that power is insurmountable!

It is when we are united that the truth is revealed, and it peals like a bell across the breadth of the land. Patriots rise up, and the enemies of America (both foreign and domestic) cringe in fear.

It is highly important that we stress the meaning of Conservatism, by definition and description. We have to preach it all the time, as many now entering tis forum haven't a clue what rock ribbed Conservatism is, having only been exposed to the "big (circus) tent".

318 posted on 02/22/2008 7:21:32 PM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more.)
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To: WOSG; TheKidster; oldbrowser
The principled conservative position would be: Vote for the more conservative candidate. It’s wrong to call that a ‘party hack’ position when in fact its based on conservative POV.

You would be correct except that the candidate would have to display some vestiges of Conservatism to qualify at all, and would have to be of sound character. Traitorous bastards need not apply.

Also, McCain is not a socialist. Look at single digit ACU rating folks like Obama and Clinton for real socialists. There is no point in abusing the term into meaninglessness.

How many Republicans are beneath McCain on that list?

319 posted on 02/22/2008 7:31:59 PM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more.)
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To: WOSG; VictoryGal
Reagan’s Legacy is Kaput if Obama wins.

No, that would be more true of McCain.

Obama seeks to destroy everything Reagan believes in.

No, that would be the Baker wing of the Republican party, and McCain among them.

Ergo, we must defeat Obama to preserve our freedom.

No: Ergo, we must defeat the Bakerites and burn down that damnable big tent of globalism, then stand untied against the enemy outside the gate. A house devided cannot stand.

320 posted on 02/22/2008 7:44:47 PM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more.)
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