Posted on 02/19/2008 7:04:24 PM PST by Kimmers
COTTONWOOD, Minn. —
Authorities say four students have been killed in a school bus crash in southwestern Minnesota. Minnesota State Patrol Lieutenant Mark Peterson says the students died when their Lakeview School bus was hit by a van this afternoon on a highway near Cottonwood, about 2 hours southwest of Minneapolis. The bus then collided with a pickup and tipped on its side.
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The victims weren't immediately identified, and their ages weren't immediately given.
At least 14 people were hurt. The school bus was carrying 40 people at the time.
The Marshall Independent reported that the first motorists on the scene were asked to take some children to the hospital.
"I parked my car and called 911, and ran to the school bus and the driver was handing kids out the door as fast as I could take them," Karen Mahlum told the newspaper.
Other motorists also stopped and took kids from the driver. "You just wanted to make sure it was safe," she said. "They were screaming and screaming on the bus. There were so many kids."
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“What am I supposed to do? Am I to insist that I am not a farce, that I am not dangerous, or comical? :-)”
Just answer the questions posed.
I believe it was TriedofTaxes that posted #61.
I was not really part of the NEA discussion on this thread, but, in looking over the argument here, I see no reason to accuse other posters for not answering questions that have been answered. The answers are just not up to your liking.
Nothing new here for me to answer to.
This is a tragedy. Some of us at FreeRepublic hate and despise the NEA. Some don’t. Let’s just move on.
And Gabz, you yourself have more than once have made accusations that you never backed up or answered questions. Try not to be such a hypocrite.
“Some of us at FreeRepublic hate and despise the NEA. Some don’t. Let’s just move on.”
No problem with except when it gets down to telling the truth. The assertion was made that the NEA singlehandedly kept seatbelts off of buses. That has turned out not to be true.
What part of “The answers are just not up to your liking.” did you not understand?
““The answers are just not up to your liking.”
Didn’t see any answers. Saw agiprop statements but no answers.
The original assertion that the NEA singlehandedly kept seatbelts off school buses is still unproven and still false.
Well, it is real easy. Just follow back the various posts that were responded to. Follow other posters that were talking about the same topic. FreeRepublic is a conservation with more than one poster commenting, yes?
I believe someone posted a link. Did you read it?
ROFLMSS.........
I am not the one that brought up the NEA in regard to this horrific incident, you need to be checking with those who brought in such an assiine argument.
We all know who are those that make accusations and refuse to back them up or answer questions in regard to such --- and I ain't one of them. Because I am woman enough to own up to my mistakes and make the appropriate apologies when needed.
“...you need to be checking with those who brought in such an assiine argument.” No, I don’t.
“We all know who are those that make accusations and refuse to back them up or answer questions in regard to such -— and I ain’t one of them. “
You certainly are one of them. Just not on this particular thread. And you did NOT own up to it. That has been my experience of you towards me and towards others over the years here. Plain and simple. Period.
But this is your style, isn’t? Phony moral outrage over nit picky nonsense.
Where is your moral outrage over the deaths of these poor children? Hmmm???
Where is your moral outrage over the requirement that forced those children to be on that bus?
Where is your moral outrage that there is a double standard for citizens that the government indoctrination centers don’t have to follow???
That citizens can be fined for?
And that these cloud of regulations, of laws and outright force, killed these kids?
WHERE IS YOUR MORAL OUTRAGE THAT KILLED THESE KIDS, GABZ???
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The powers that be ask **drivers** about the safety design of school buses?
Bus drivers in my county are simple people: housewives, some retired folks, high school drop outs, etc. I would think that true engineers with many degrees behind their names should be the people we should be asking about roll-over, center of gravity, impact velocity, metal fatigue, etc. We should also be asking the doctors who treat the 17,000 emergency room admissions due to bus accidents what they think. I’m willing to bet the split lips, fractured teeth, black eyes, broken bones, contusions, concussions, etc. would be greatly reduced if seat belts were required.
By the way, your point about car electronic systems notifying the driver of a seat belt not being fastened is a good one.
Last year, after two deaths involving a dragging and crushing by school buses, I checked the National Safety Center regarding bus safety. They claim that riding a bus is safer than taking a car,,but,,,last time I looked they compared buses driven during transport hours to injuries of all children in cars during that time. They did **not** factor out the teens, babysitters, and non-relatives who were driving to and from school with other teens, or children who were not their own, in the car. They did not even separate out the task of driving a child to school from all the other reasons a child might be in a car.
To really know if buses are safer than mom or dad driving a child, they would need to look specifically at injuries occurring to a child in a car with mom and dad taking them directly to or from school, and the seat belt fastened during school transport times. I am willing to bet they aren’t about to do that comparison because school bus injuries would come out on the losing end.
My advice to parents: Keep your child off the bus. If you must institutionalize your child, take them to school yourself, with the seat belt fastened! Do this and they will not be bullied, sexually harassed, raped, and their chances of winding up in the emergency room for injuries of all sorts will be a lot less. And,,,finally, if you take them to school they are not going to be dragged or crushed to death by their school bus.
Can you explain to me why the NEA should oppose the NHTSA?
Why not? NEA members run the public schools. The NEA takes a position on many different issues, including school transportation: Resolutions 2006-2007 The NEA even adopts resolutions that have nothing to do with education, such as the protection of senior citizens, reparation of remains for Native Americans, covert operations and counterintelligence activities, and nuclear weapons, for crying out loud. LOL. (I love reading through their list, just for laughs.)
Now, I don't think they have much power over those other issues ;-) (though they do have influence on future generations). But they definitely have the power to affect the quality of school transportation right now.
You don't really believe that students are safer on schoolbuses without seat belts, do you? I'm a stickler about seat belts when I'm driving. I remember when seat belts on school buses first became a hot issue, and the main argument against seat belts was that it would cost too much to equip the buses with them.
No, #65 misread and misrepresented post #61. For the life of me, I can't understand why FReepers are rushing to the defense of the Democrat-controlled NEA.
The assertion was made that the NEA singlehandedly kept seatbelts off of buses.
Singlehandedly? I've gone through this entire thread. I don't see that assertion anywhere.
Really? I'm still waiting for a reply to my post #67.
You said: Does the NEA have so much control that ALL public transit does not have seatbelts because they may oppose them on schoolbuses?
I asked: What are you talking about? I never said that.
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