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To: Mrs. Don-o

Would that “man into merchandise” thing be the same as the slavery found in the Bible, which gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but certainly does not outlaw the practice altogether? I’m not justifying or advocating slavery. I do consider this a valid criticism of Christianity, and by extension the Catholic Church. Basically, I reject the notion that the Pope or the Catholic Church has moral standing to criticize others, because of its past performance. I’m sure you and many others here will disagree. Like it or not those are the historical facts.


18 posted on 02/17/2008 3:32:34 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: RKV
First of all, if you say that "past performance" disqualify a man or an institution from moral treaching or moral criticism of others, we might as well disband Free Republic and every other form because no man and no institution (considered under the aspect of the behavior of its members) is without sin.

On this earth, every persona and every rganization would be, by your rules, excluded from offering moral criticism or moral judgment. Nope, I'm not buying that.

20 posted on 02/17/2008 4:10:59 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Mater et Magistra.)
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To: RKV
Basically, I reject the notion that the Pope or the Catholic Church has moral standing to criticize others, because of its past performance.

So, what do you want them to do? Close all the churches and call it a day? In your dreams. Fortunately, it's not in the Pope's job description to care whether you or anyone else thinks that he lacks moral standing.
22 posted on 02/17/2008 4:16:43 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: RKV
I reject the notion that the Pope or the Catholic Church has moral standing to criticize others, because of its past performance. I’m sure you and many others here will disagree. Like it or not those are the historical facts.

You obviously have a problem with the Church, and you are free to not listen to the Pope or any other teachers within the Church. At the same time, the Pope is free to offer his opinions, and distribute his teachings based on decades of study of the Scriptures and the works of the early Church Fathers, to believers within the Catholic Church.

24 posted on 02/17/2008 5:22:16 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: RKV

So as a Christian are you pro-life and against abortion? Because I am confused by some peoples comments,it is not about if you like the Catholic church,it’s Christians who support pro-abortion candidates. Too many people on here lately are so arrogant,between the Mormon bashing and the Catholic bashing,I’m surprised Christians can united against anything that’s evil.We have a candidate who calls himself a Christian and he is soooo pro-abortion it makes me sick. But yet for political reasons you have Christians supporting these candidates with their votes and their money.That is what is wrong not a personal opinion of what you think of the Catholic church or of any other faith. If we as Christians can’t stand each other long enough to unite against evil, such as abortion,homosexuality,then we don’t have a right to call ourselves Christians. For crying out loud Jesus talked of loving your enemy but yet here lately it seems more about pride and arrogance than anything to do with love.


35 posted on 06/12/2008 7:09:00 PM PDT by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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