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State GOP Split As Convention Nears
SF Chronicle ^ | Saturday 16 February 2008 | Carla Marinucci

Posted on 02/16/2008 12:11:11 PM PST by KonoctiBill

Edited on 02/16/2008 3:12:09 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: knarf
So to the anti-McCainiacs here in FR ... explain how four years of a (more than) staunch socialist will NOT permanently f*** us.

Patience. It's a long time until September. Plenty of time to dump the angry little man.

Almost any conservative will do. Both Democrat alternatives have serious hurdles to leap during the campaign. One Democrat has embarrassed our nation and racism is still deep seated in this country.

21 posted on 02/16/2008 1:47:02 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: knarf

Now you make me feel bad for saying that, LOL.

But really, think about it. If No-Child-Left-Behind and Medicare-Part-D, had been proposed by Hillary, what would Republicans have done? I think they would have put up the fight to oppose it. Instead, we had congresscritters(R) introducing this legislation. If McCain promotes his global-warming-scam, will Republicans unite to oppose it? My guess is no. The media will tout it as a “Republican” plan, making it all the more unpalatable to swallow as you see what some here call “our own” stabbing you in the back, day after day.... for four ... or eight... very long years!

You said it right—damned if we do, damned if we don’t. Thankfully, I’m in California so my vote won’t make a darn bit of difference anyway. McCain doesn’t have a chance of winning California. He could only get 42% of the vote here in the primary and he can’t get the kind of grassroots support he would need to even come close.

As far as California goes, I support those saying we shouldn’t sink money down a rathole (McCain campaign) and should instead work to get other good folks elected to lower offices (man the foxholes!):
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1971254/posts


22 posted on 02/16/2008 2:00:51 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: KonoctiBill

Then get the damn RINOs to quit trying to emulate democrats.


23 posted on 02/16/2008 2:05:01 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Nervous Tick
I guess your thinking is that since he didn't respond to this thread, he must have gone on. You may well be correct.

Who is the guy you are telling us to support instead of RuPaul? Just curious.

24 posted on 02/16/2008 2:13:00 PM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: bushinohio
You forget that the DemonRATs have both houses of Congress and with the Executive Branch, they will have communism on the fast track. One thing they will do first thing is eliminate the electoral college. Then they will grow the dependency class to such a level that no Republican that preaches smaller government will have a chance. You will have caused the communists to take over this nation and your grandchildren will suffer as a result of it.

Your cut-and-run conservatism is just as bad as the DemonRATs crying for a pullout in Iraq so they can turn those guns to butter to grow the dependency class.

25 posted on 02/16/2008 2:16:23 PM PST by jonrick46
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To: jonrick46
Your cut-and-run conservatism

Ample evidence why partisan aren't embraced here on FR.

Oft time wish there was a Republican forum where these jerks could peddle their expedient solutions.

26 posted on 02/16/2008 2:46:49 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: jonrick46
I have absolutely NO faith in McCain. He has stabbed us in the back so many times, how can any of you claim that he would be better than a Democrat. His best friends in the Senate are Democrats for crying out loud! Have you all forgotten that he thought about switching parties three times? Do not tell me that McCain is going to be better than Hillary or Obama because you have no idea what kind of stunts McCain is going to pull should he become president.
27 posted on 02/16/2008 2:50:30 PM PST by bushinohio
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To: jonrick46; bushinohio
You will have caused the communists to take over this nation and your grandchildren will suffer as a result of it.

That there is a whole lot of blame to be puttin' on one ol' freeper!

I nominate your post as most hyperbolic of the day (that I've read, anyway.)

28 posted on 02/16/2008 4:55:52 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: basil

>> Who is the guy you are telling us to support instead of RuPaul? Just curious.

Chris Peden. Good conservative fellow.

Visit http://www.chrispeden.org

Send him a few bucks, if you’re so inclined. He’ll make good use of it.


29 posted on 02/16/2008 5:53:32 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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To: Nervous Tick

What’s he running for?


30 posted on 02/16/2008 8:04:38 PM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: Nervous Tick
Never mind--I clicked on his site--duh!

I think district 14 may be close to me. We used to have ruPaul, but DeLay redistricted us, and I ended up with Lloyd Doggett! If you don't know him, look him us. He'll make you want to throw up.

The Peden family sure is attractive. We have 5 kids, too, so I know what that's like.

31 posted on 02/16/2008 8:09:56 PM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: jonrick46
Your cut-and-run conservatism is just as bad as the DemonRATs crying for a pullout in Iraq so they can turn those guns to butter to grow the dependency class.

No one(anti-McCain conservatives) is talking about cutting and running. More like retreat, regroup and attack with a real conservative agenda and real conservative leaders. McCain only moves us further away from our objectives.

32 posted on 02/16/2008 8:15:47 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: Amerigomag
"wish there was a Republican forum where these jerks could peddle their expedient solutions.

We can do more to influence others with our ideas if we work within the organization we want to change. This may imply joining the Democrat Party. Practically speaking, no.

The Republican Party is most aligned with our ideas. Because the party advocates the Big Tent philosophy, there is that political spectrum thing that has so many conservatives at odds with the Republican Party. I see it as a great melting pot. To call another part of the stew a "jerk" is, well, short sighted. With a little time, the stew makes a delicious dish.

Don't be impatient. John McCain has been gathering up the more spicy parts of the political spectrum. To conservatives like me, these are ingredients that make me want to throw up. However, I trust the chef. Once these ingredients are in the stew, OOOO! la! la! Ce plat est délicieux!

33 posted on 02/17/2008 2:37:38 PM PST by jonrick46
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To: upsdriver
I say just pinch you nose a little bit and be patient. Don’t run out of the Republican Party. Read its platform again. Take deep breaths, stay connected and keep swimming. Us conservatives need to work within the Republican Party to move our ideals to those who need our influence most. It is there we get more mileage.

We will always swim in uncharted waters. There will be stinking swamps and alligators now and then. We must keep swimming.

The emergence of McCain is a political phenomenon out of our control. It is a result of a primary system which fails to front-load Republican stronghold states and allows open primaries. In the long run, we can change that.

In the short and long run, keep swimming!

34 posted on 02/17/2008 2:55:12 PM PST by jonrick46
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To: jonrick46
The last time I saw anyone postulating we just all need to get along, he was on his back, getting the just reward that he richly deserved, from a multi agency task force.

We don't need to get along. We need to convince the Republican Party to get rid of an old, angry, little man before he ends up on his back, getting the reward he justly deserves, from a multi agency task force.

35 posted on 02/17/2008 2:59:38 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: calcowgirl
I ask, practically speaking, who would you support knowing what the alternative, the DemonRATs, would do to this country? The choice will have consequences. Those who advocate “none of the above,” do not just let others determine consequences. They take away from that choice, which is just as bad as making the incorrect choice.

The “hyperbolic” nature of this is that as individuals, we make big effect.

36 posted on 02/17/2008 3:09:04 PM PST by jonrick46
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To: knarf
I must be one of your allies. Where are these Freepers coming from? They seem to show up like-alligators! I am determined to keep on swimming. I hear their arguments and there are lots of things in McCain that don’t pass the smell test.

I have learned that in order to keep swimming, one needs to wear nose plugs. It say this figuratively. Stand fast.

We just need to be patient. McCain is solidifying the moderate wing of the Republican Party. We will need them, just as Ronald Reagan needed those “Ronald Reagan Democrats.”

McCain’s senatorial activities make most Conservatives throw up. Mark Levin and others have already given the list. However, this has positioned McCain as an attractive candidate to a wider spectrum of the political landscape. He even has the Latin American community; a group that the DemonRATs thought they had in the bag. Not with McCain and the results of his McCain-Kennedy Immigration Reform bill. McCain will steal these voters away from the DemonRATs like meat from a lion.

I ask this: Did that bill pass? No. However, to many in the political spectrum, McCain looks friendly to their situation. Sublime politics. They are now McCain voters. Some of these same voters may be illegals that the DemonRATs have registered (illegally) and counted as their own. Not!

Finally, just be patient. McCain is a stealth conservative. He learned this “stealth” in the Hanoi Hilton. He has learned how to look, smell, and taste like a liberal. All for political survival. He has swam with the sharks in the Senate! He has kept from being eaten by looking like, tasting like, and smelling like—a shark! However, when he becomes POTUS, he becomes something unique. He becomes Top Shark which is something the DemonRATs fear more than anything else. He will eat them for breakfast, lunch and dinner. And, we know that McCain is a meat eater; not some girly boy, metro man.

Need I say more? I have already put some blood in the water. Watch an see them flock to this post thinking there is something to eat. Not!

37 posted on 02/17/2008 3:47:48 PM PST by jonrick46
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To: Amerigomag
I am not postulating that “we all get along.” We can be nice to those who hold differing positions so that we can change them with our values. We can hold fast to our values and learn how to become more effective at influencing others. Even Ann Coulter has had a liberal boyfriend.

In short, win friends, influence others, know where to make the most impact, and work for change.

38 posted on 02/17/2008 4:01:13 PM PST by jonrick46
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To: jonrick46
In short, win friends,

Nice is for liberals. Those who are not conservative are my enemy. I'm willing to deal with them, but only from a position of strength. Voting for a liberal, in its best case, elects a liberal.

Conservatives will never control anything. We're only 30% of just one of many political parties or only about 15% of the electorate. The only strength we have is our numbers. 15% is enough to make a Republican victory improbable. Combine those numbers with a willingness to actively work against the candidacy of a liberal and now we are a force. A force that can upset the balance.

Follow the money. Folks don't contribute to the campaign of a loser. As it becomes clearer to corporate America that conservatives will not support a liberal, the angry little man's money will dry up, well before September. As Michael recently indicated: "Donors like me will not participate in schemes that send money to other states.".

39 posted on 02/17/2008 5:19:07 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag
I did not say win friends by changing yourself. Just be nice to those who do not think the way you do. Such will come over to our way just by the friendship value. It is also the Christian thing to do. These are not our enemies. They are just ignorant.

For those true enemies, they will some day have no one listening. Besides, by that time, most of them will be dead.

40 posted on 02/17/2008 5:35:46 PM PST by jonrick46
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