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Lent fast re-branded as 'Christian Ramadan'
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | 12/02/2008 | Bruno Waterfield

Posted on 02/12/2008 11:35:43 AM PST by forkinsocket

Dutch Catholics have re-branded the Lent fast as the "Christian Ramadan" in an attempt to appeal to young people who are more likely to know about Islam than Christianity.

The Catholic charity Vastenaktie, which collects for the Third World across the Netherlands during the Lent period, is concerned that the Christian festival has become less important for the Dutch over the last generation.

"The image of the Catholic Lent must be polished. The fact that we use a Muslim term is related to the fact that Ramadan is a better-known concept among young people than Lent," said Vastenaktie Director, Martin Van der Kuil.

Three decades ago the Catholic Church was as strict as many Muslims are about Ramadan with a total ban on meat and alcohol during the 40-day Lenten period between Ash Wednesday and Easter.

Most Dutch Catholics now focus on charitable work after the Vatican loosened fasting strictures for all but the first and last days of Lent back in 1967.

Four million Dutch describe themselves as Roman Catholics and 400,000 people attend Mass every week but only a few tens of thousands still mark Lent by fasting, said Mr Van der Kuil

Vastenaktie organisers hope that by linking the festival to Ramadan they can remind Christians who may be less observant than Muslims of the "spirituality and sobriety" of Lent.

"The agreements are more striking than the differences. Both for Muslims and Catholic faithful the values of frugality and spirituality play a central role in this tradition," said Mr Van der Kuil.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
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To: forkinsocket

I’m a Catholic and this allows me to expand my self-denial. I’m giving up sweets for Lent, and diversity, multiculturalism, moral relativity, ecumenism and all vestiges of political correctness for Christian Ramadan.


41 posted on 02/12/2008 12:53:49 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: Callahan
how long Europe has left?

Left??? They're already lost!

42 posted on 02/12/2008 12:54:45 PM PST by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Dinah Lord

Dinah Lord, you took the words right out of my mouth. Before which I had NONE.

We had friends who lived in Damascus, thinking ‘living in another culture would be so enriching.’ (libs). They came back, really HATED that culture. She said that during Ramadan they had all-night, every-night feasts and drinking to excess, that ended as the sun came up.

As Christians, thinking ‘fasting’ and what it meant to them, she said it was just disgusting to see the contrast. The entire experience was disgusting, actually.

This was about 1984, a little pre-jihad, although probably not really.


43 posted on 02/12/2008 12:55:12 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: al_c

Hey all you Dutch pseudo-Catholics, you certainly haven’t given up licking Muzzie ass for Lent or whatever other blasphemous term you want to give to it. Yum-Yum! Can’t get enough! If I lap it up more cravenly will you kindly not cut off my head?


44 posted on 02/12/2008 1:05:33 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: forkinsocket
I have a better idea. Brand them as heretics, offer them a chance to reconcile, then excommunicate them if they refuse.

Where is the Inquisition when you need ‘em?

45 posted on 02/12/2008 1:09:24 PM PST by Little Ray (So its McCain or Huckabee? Pass me the bloody KoolAid.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Why did every movement toward total decadence in the world seem to start in the sixties? Vatican II was no more enlightening than the Great Society and improbably more harmful.


46 posted on 02/12/2008 1:12:31 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: Dionysius
and diversity, multiculturalism, moral relativity, ecumenism and all vestiges of political correctness for Christian Ramadan.

I’m giving them up forever.

Muslims must present non-Muslims with the three choices of the Koran - Sura 9:29: conversion, submission with second-class status under Islamic rule, or death.

It's my death or the Muslim's. I'm going to have to change my tagline one of these days.

47 posted on 02/12/2008 1:24:12 PM PST by FatherofFive (Choose life!)
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To: GreyFriar
another step toward dhmmitude.

Yes, and voluntarily taken.

48 posted on 02/12/2008 1:35:55 PM PST by zot
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To: Callahan
Not long, not long at all.

You will see the first European nations start to fall by 2020 and after that it will be a quick succession.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

49 posted on 02/12/2008 1:38:59 PM PST by expatguy ("An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - New & Improved - Now with Search)
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To: Patriotic1
I am sure the 400,000 faithful are pretty ticked off right now.

Here's hoping that their displeasure is reflected in the amount of money NOT collected by this charitable organization and its boneheaded director.

50 posted on 02/12/2008 1:41:07 PM PST by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: forkinsocket

Wait. I thought Ramadan was the Islamic Lent. Don’t they give up beheadings from sunrise to sunset?


51 posted on 02/12/2008 1:48:40 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: forkinsocket
Misleading title... nowhere does the article say that Dutch Catholics have adopted this. Unless I'm missing some critical bit of text (quite possible while I'm reading through a red mist...) it's all the work of a charitable organization that hopes to attract more young DONORS.

I tried to find more info on Vastenaktie, but don't see anything of interest that translates well.

52 posted on 02/12/2008 1:57:06 PM PST by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: FatherofFive

Looks like the Dutch are opting for the second door. What has happened to a once proud people?


53 posted on 02/12/2008 2:09:06 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: zeestephen

They also abstain from sexual relations with chickens, or so I’ve been told.


54 posted on 02/12/2008 2:12:42 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: forkinsocket

no worries. I was about to rebrand “moderate muslims” as people who call themselves muslims but act like Christians.


55 posted on 02/12/2008 3:04:14 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (anyone can be a soldier in peacetime.)
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To: forkinsocket
Sick, degenerate, moribund nation. IF young people know more about pagan cult occurrences, it’s the fault of multicultural, suicidal, self hating Dutch.
56 posted on 02/12/2008 3:35:35 PM PST by isrul
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To: Callahan

Your question seems to ignor the obvious fact that Europe is already LOST!


57 posted on 02/12/2008 3:36:39 PM PST by pointsal
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To: forkinsocket

*gag*


58 posted on 02/12/2008 3:38:45 PM PST by null and void (President Hillary!™ Clinton? Time to invest in body bags. Again...)
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To: forkinsocket

Not cool at all.


59 posted on 02/12/2008 6:24:41 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: forkinsocket

Ok, the Archbishop of Canterbury, and now the Dutch...

This is insane.


60 posted on 02/12/2008 6:26:36 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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