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1 posted on 02/12/2008 3:12:24 AM PST by values
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I thought I saw one in Wal-Mart the other day, but it turned out to be Elvis.


2 posted on 02/12/2008 3:16:15 AM PST by gotribe (I've been disenfranchised by the GOP.)
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They're NOT... at CNN


3 posted on 02/12/2008 3:17:08 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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Where Are the Moderate Muslims?

they are stared $h!tless for themselves and their families lives, if they breathe one anti-jihad word......

4 posted on 02/12/2008 3:29:32 AM PST by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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In general, the moderate Muslims aren’t really Muslims at all.


6 posted on 02/12/2008 3:49:43 AM PST by Brilliant
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I have discovered The Great Muslim Moderate here:

http://ronbosoldier.blogspot.com/2006/12/great-moderate-muslim-discovered.html

....after sailing the globe!


9 posted on 02/12/2008 4:13:54 AM PST by thomasjefferson1215
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"Imagine for just a moment that there was a real solution to defeating Islamic extremism once and for all, one that was not only within our grasp, but one that has been proven to work. What you will read is the true account of coming face to face with an Al Qaeda member prior to 9/11 and how his efforts to recruit were thwarted. Imagine for a moment that the so-called extremists could be revealed for who they truly are. Not the messengers of objective truth that they claim to be, but rather the pharisaical hypocrites that they truly are." "In a recent editorial in the New York Times entitled "Islam's Silent Moderates" , Ayaan Hirsi Ali asks the question "Where are the moderates?" as she laments on the silence from the so-called contingent of moderate Muslims around the globe in response to the recent case of the "girl from Qatif". As much as I admire Ayaan Hirsi Ali for her outspoken courage, I'm disappointed that she consistently misses the mark on defining a solution for effectively dealing with Islamic extremism. I'm also disappointed that someone like Ayaan Hirsi Ali fails to see that the issues we face and not so much with "moderation" and "extremism" but rather with what I believe to be the real issue of moderninity."

"In dealing with Islamic extremism, the first thing we need to do is skip through the endless mind-numbing musings on Islamic jurisprudence peddled by a plethora of self-proclaimed Muslim pundits and scholars around the globe, the harsh reality is the there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. What we do have though is the modern Muslim. The modern muslim versus the anachronism."

"I had first met Hassan many years ago while I was having my lunch at a small restaurant in Singapore on Jalan Pisang (street) called Hajah Maimunah. The restaurant is a bit off the beaten track from Orchard road and so, few tourists will ever visit it, but it serves perhaps the best Indonesian and Malay food in all of Singapore and at lunchtime during the week the restaurant can be quite packed. Hassan, with his tray in hand saw me sitting alone at a table as asked if he could join me. I looked up at this poor sob decked out in his full Islamist regalia complete with the androgynous black eyeliner and turban and nodded my head for him to sit down."

"Typical of many of these living anachronisms who often meander the streets and loiter around the mosques in modern-day Singapore, Hassan epitomized many of these psychically enslaved individuals who are hopelessly and perpetually trapped in some sort of cosmic Manichaean struggle between good and evil, where they find even the simple use of cutlery confounding. Showing his complete and utter disdain for modernity, Hassan sat down and proceeded to stick the fingers of his right hand into his food. Amused and yet disgusted at the same time I watched this individual make a spectacle of himself as well as a mess at the table with his curry-covered hand. Sitting there in my shirt and tie watching Hassan, I almost felt pity and couldn't help but think, not only how comical he looked but how he simply did not fit in with modern society. Attempting to hide my disgust at his table manners and with perhaps a bit of feigned congeniality I reached over and passed Hassan a napkin and asked him politely in Indonesian if he would mind cleaning the mess that he made on the table."

"At this point you're probably thinking that this is quite condescending of me and that perhaps this individual's disdain for cutlery is nothing but a "cultural thing", and in some respects you are correct, but Hassan's disdain for not only cutlery but modernity as well, is equally if not more, founded in, and influenced by his own ethnic and religious chauvinism and the "us versus them" dichotomy that permeates each and every aspect of his life."

"As I look around the restaurant I noticed many other Indonesians and Malays who found no problems adapting to the implements of a modern-day society. Individuals who did not feel threatened by cultural progression, individuals who did not feel compelled to repudiate all aspects of what they perceived to be in any possible way linked to Western civilization, individuals who, above all, were not hopelessly enslaved by the same brutal dualistic worldview that Hassan was. By this time Hassan had finished his meal and then looked over at me and said. "I see you can speak Indonesian".

to be continued...

FROM

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

10 posted on 02/12/2008 4:20:17 AM PST by expatguy ("An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - New & Improved - Now with Search)
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I agree, however, we cannot expect Islam to reform in order to more readily accept Western "secularization." The Left in the West have redefined the meaning of culture. Especially in America, it has been the cultural Left that has given us the enlightenment of "if it feels good, do it." It is the Left that drives the destruction of morality, the vital link of religious principles and our Constitution and Laws. It is the Left that hands out condoms, de-funds abstinence education programs and promotes the sexualization of our culture. .It is the Left that is growing Government and asserting that Faith in God is to be purged from all the Government touches. It is the Left.

We must reform America. America is a nation whose founding principles are rooted in the story of Jesus. It is a story the proclaims that Freedom is a Gift from God meant for ALL. All are created equal because All are loved by God, as He loved His own Son. This genetic code of Freedom has been altered by the Left incrementally in the same way a frog in a saucepan is slowly brought to a boil.

"Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just.

Radical Islam is Nebuchanezzar, Islam is the Midianites who were raised up by God against his people. "Why hast thou done this to thine people"? cried Gideon. The answer was that God's people had done evil in his sight. America today is like that. We must restore our founding spirit and principles. Our mission is to be "a shining city upon the hill". . .to proclaim to the world the true root and definition of Freedom. . .except now, the Left has tricked us into thinking that such a thing would violate "the separation of Church and State." Well think again. .. because the quote above is from none other then the "separator" himself. . .Thomas Jefferson.

We have been lulled to sleep and it is time for ALL who have a faith in God to find a common interest in the restoration of our true National Identity. Until we do that, don't waste your time preaching to Islam about its need to reform. It truly needs to reform. . .but it will never reform so as to embrace all that is rotten about the West.

11 posted on 02/12/2008 4:34:15 AM PST by McBuff
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Where are the moderate muslims?


14 posted on 02/12/2008 6:06:37 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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There are no moderate muslims. There are only jihadists in waiting. Islam is a cult; a system of political, social, and economic beliefs controlled by a theocratic structure unavailable to the general masses of the adherents. Islam rules one third of the world’s population by means of lies, threats, and acts of violence.
The seventh century has not passed for these socially, scientifically, and economically retarded masses. They are brainwashed into believeing that all their woes are a result of some perceived slight by non-muslims at some time in the past.
Their playbook, the quran, is explicit. There are only three ways to deal with the infidel: Convert them, Enslave them, or Kill them. There are no entreaties in the quran to negotiate with the kafir, to seek a middle ground. They are taught that their pedophile prophet is the height of perfection in man, and that islam is the height of glory in the world as it represents Allah’s will.
The notion that lands conquered by islam remain the property of islam for all time, regardless of their subsequent status or control, is just an example of the absurdity that is islam.
And, 1400 years of interpretation by inbred clerics does little to broaden the intellecual base of the belief system.

Islam is a cult and needs to be eradicated.

Lock and Load.


16 posted on 02/12/2008 6:21:28 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion)
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I hope we have spies in all the mosques here.


21 posted on 02/12/2008 7:14:40 AM PST by westmichman ( God said: "They cry 'peace! peace!' but there is no peace. Jeremiah 6:14)
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In the enchanted forest with the unicorn, another creature of myth.


23 posted on 02/12/2008 7:18:29 AM PST by Califreak (Hangin' with Hunter-under the bus "Dread and Circuses")
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Where are the Moderate Muslims?

Last seen spinning around along the shore at the Small World ride in DisneyWorld.

25 posted on 02/12/2008 7:18:50 AM PST by TADSLOS (Juan Hernandez' Battle Cry: "Juan McCain for El Presidente! Si, se puede!")
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Moderate means they put novocain on their blades. Moderate means they put an “R” rating on the videos that they make of slicing innocent Jews heads off. Moderate means that they kill only one priest or nun when the Pope says something that they don’t like.


26 posted on 02/12/2008 7:21:00 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (expel the whole sorry lot of them)
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A moderate Muslim is defined as one who has run out of ammo.


27 posted on 02/12/2008 7:23:15 AM PST by Lizavetta
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I have been reading these types of articles for years now since 911.

“Where are the moderate Muslims?”
“Why don’t moderate Muslims speak up about the hijacking of their religion?”
“Islam needs to go thru a reformation”

IMHO this is all a waste of breath and ink. The bottom line is Muslims do not see anything wrong with what is going on, they are perfectly happy with their lot and religion/culture and while maybe not publicly supporting the terrorist actions, they at least tacitly support the terrorist activities.

So let’s just get over the idea that Muslims will reform themselves and learn to live at least peacefully with anyone else in the world. The bottom line it is not going to happen, it is not in their nature.

If and when we make this logical leap, it will change the fundamental way we address this global issue/clash of civilizations. And no, this does not mean we kill them all, but much like children who have been given a free reign for years, the antidote to the problem is some tough love. It is going to be hard and it is going to take a long time, but Muslims, please grow up. The longer we wait, the harder it becomes.

schu

30 posted on 02/12/2008 9:34:22 AM PST by schu
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