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The McCain Mutiny
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| February 11, 2008
Posted on 02/11/2008 5:48:13 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: WOSG
Then why didnt you get right behind Romney when he was the one viable alternative to mcCain? Because Romney is a lying, flip-flopping Massachusetts liberal that would never have risen about second-tier status if not for all of his money?
How many times does that have to be explained to you?
And, don't even think about rehabilitating this RINO in 2012 because the same conservatives that oppose him now will be out in mass to stop Willard once again. And, that is fight that Republican party nor conservative movement needs.
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posted on
02/12/2008 10:35:12 AM PST
by
Ol' Sparky
(Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
To: WOSG
Then why didnt you get right behind Romney when he was the one viable alternative to mcCain? Because Romney is a lying, flip-flopping Massachusetts liberal that would never have risen about second-tier status if not for all of his money?
How many times does that have to be explained to you?
And, don't even think about rehabilitating this RINO in 2012 because the same conservatives that oppose him now will be out in mass to stop Willard once again. And, that is fight that Republican party nor conservative movement needs.
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posted on
02/12/2008 10:35:41 AM PST
by
Ol' Sparky
(Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
To: Rudder
“I’m going to vote in the Ohio primary for Obama, against Hillary. When Obama becomes POTUS, conservatives will have four years to gain control from the RINOS. Join us, unite!”
Big Mistake ... you are voting for the more electable guy who is the #1 LIBERAL in the US Senate, so he can wrap this up sooner and can rule for 8 years and pass everything you oppose - including your support for the troops .... big mistake!!!
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTI3NTdhNDZhNjA4YTJkM2YxYzUwMmQxZjI4MjAxYWQ=
“Gallup puts Obama up nationally over Hillary Clinton, 47 percent to 44 percent.
They put McCain up, 53 percent to 27 percent for Huckabee. Ron Paul’s 8 percent is the highest he’s been in their national polls.
Head to head, McCain edges Hillary, 49-48 among likely voters, but of course that’s within the margin of error. Among registered voters, it’s a 48-48 tie, and among adults, it’s McCain again, 48 percent to 47 percent.
Obama beats McCain among likely voters, 50 to 46 percent, and among registered, it’s Obama 49 percent to McCain 46 percent. Among adults, the numbers are pretty much the same.”
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posted on
02/12/2008 10:38:12 AM PST
by
WOSG
(Want to blame someone for McCain being the nominee? Blame the Mormon-bashers)
To: WOSG
One of the key points of disagreement is that you seem to think an Obama presidency would be easily corrected by some future conservative.
No, that wasn't my point at all. Perhaps I misphrased what I meant. I didn't mean the harm done could be easily corrected, but that a Dem win, whether it's Hillary OR Obama, could help to resurrect the conservative movement. Nothing helps like a common enemy. However, when the enemy is in our own party (ie., McCain) then it's more likely to be destructive, not unifying.
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posted on
02/12/2008 10:42:21 AM PST
by
CottonBall
(The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. (Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854 ))
To: org.whodat
How about doing thing the right way and let people express their views. My view is that it is nuts for anyone who calls themselves ‘conservative’ to vote for one liberal Democrat over another. Why are you trying to suppress my speaking out?
Here’s another view.
http://ontapblog.com/2008/02/12/who-i-voted-for-in-the-virginia-primary/
“As for the temptation to vote in the Democratic primary, Im a right-leaning guy. I dont mess in the other guys primaries, I dont want him to mess in mine”
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posted on
02/12/2008 10:42:38 AM PST
by
WOSG
(Want to blame someone for McCain being the nominee? Blame the Mormon-bashers)
To: WOSG
The way to fail here is to have an Obama landslide. Then he will pass and sign in one fell swoop, and we are truly toast as a country.
True. The main problem I see with McCain as the nominee, is that the base will not be motivated to go out and vote - for their conservative respresentatives in Congress. Not having a presidential candidate that inspires the base will lose a lot of votes for the congressmen. This is probably the worst thing about having McCain as the nominee. We'll have a harder time limiting the damage - whether it's from a Dem or McCain.
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posted on
02/12/2008 10:46:20 AM PST
by
CottonBall
(The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. (Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854 ))
To: Ol' Sparky
You have embraced a less qualified and less conservative candidate than Romney is and through your support helped give us McCain as nominee. Why dont you just stop flogging a dead horse and give it a rest?
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posted on
02/12/2008 10:47:37 AM PST
by
WOSG
(Want to blame someone for McCain being the nominee? Blame the Mormon-bashers)
To: CottonBall
“I didn’t mean the harm done could be easily corrected, but that a Dem win, whether it’s Hillary OR Obama, could help to resurrect the conservative movement.”
Ah, that is different, and a bit more valid ... But again, I would
1) Put our country first here. What’s best for USA, nor our movement/party?
2) I heard that argument (’we can win by losing’) in 2006 when conservatives started getting in their funk - toss the Congress to the Democrats and the GOP would wisen up and conservatives would get back on top. Did it work? Not in this primary! We never win by losing. We end up losing, then losing more, then having no power, leverage or voice at all.
I am afraid that the real consequence of an Obama victory is a permanent left-ward shifting of the political landscape. When Bush won the media was intent on make America seem divided. When Clinton won - poof - there was no ‘red state’ he was president of all, and the dissenters were ‘angry voices’ on the ‘right’ who were just “a VRWC”. They will do that again to us.
“However, when the enemy is in our own party (ie., McCain) then it’s more likely to be destructive, not unifying.”
Understood. It’s why I speak of us being a ‘loyal opposition’ if he wins. We cannot and will not be silent if and when he crosses conservatives. But with McCain we have leverage we will not have in the new ObamaNation.
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posted on
02/12/2008 10:55:43 AM PST
by
WOSG
(Want to blame someone for McCain being the nominee? Blame the Mormon-bashers)
To: WOSG
Romney’s liberal record and negetive campaign made him a dead horse from the start. Huckabee is not a dead horse, he won Kansas 3 to 1...Huckabee could win nearly every closed primary from now until the convention. ...Huckabee has a very real chance at forcing a brokered convention and is also preventing Obama Hussein and Hidlebeast from sucking up all of the media. Go Huckabee!!!
To: claudiustg; Kaslin
Let me get this straight. I havent had a vote yet. The Republican idiots have already chosen McCain, who is a well known negative quantity, and Im the villain for not going along?
Yes and no.
Yes, we are not supposed to complain and we are supposed to vote party over principle (Bravo Sierra to that), but, no, it wasn't Republican idiots that are sticking us with McManiac - it's independants voting in Republican primaries that have no intention of voting for McManiac in the general election.
(unless you want to affix immediate blame on the party for allowing those states that allow indy's to vote in either primary to have their primaries before solid conservative states that don't)
Imagine who the front-runners would be if the "flyover" states were the first states to hold primaries.
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posted on
02/12/2008 10:57:37 AM PST
by
Abundy
To: All
The GOP has a great opportunity to win with McCain. If conservatives waste this opportunity, while Democrats are committing suicide by still chosing between two candidates, thenm, it will be ridiculous.
The GOP is winning, and it is useless to add that nobody bet a cent on it one year ago. Take this chance.
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posted on
02/12/2008 11:16:32 AM PST
by
drzz
To: Abundy
“it’s independants voting in Republican primaries that have no intention of voting for McManiac in the general election.
“
That’s just not true.
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posted on
02/12/2008 11:17:56 AM PST
by
drzz
To: Jeff Chandler
...”Our choices are between a RINO who holds conservatives in disdain, and a Democrat who will, in addition to opening the floodgates of cultural suicide by opening the floodgates at the borders like the RINO, will fuel the fires of Islamic terror by granting a victory to the jihadists in Iraq while dooming the Iraqi people to generations of misery and slaughter.”...
That’s it in a nutshell.
United we stand, but divided we shall fall.
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posted on
02/12/2008 12:20:06 PM PST
by
astounded
(The Democrat Party is a Clear and Present Danger to the USA)
To: FocusNexus
Good point—what to do, what to do????
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posted on
02/12/2008 2:02:39 PM PST
by
GatorGirl
(Election 2008--It's all about the judges!!)
To: FreedomProtector
Fact: Huckabee has a more liberal record as Governor than Romney does.
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posted on
02/12/2008 2:07:16 PM PST
by
WOSG
(Want to blame someone for McCain being the nominee? Blame the Mormon-bashers)
To: WOSG
Ah, that is different, and a bit more valid ... But again, I would 1) Put our country first here. Whats best for USA, nor our movement/party? 2) I heard that argument (we can win by losing) in 2006 when conservatives started getting in their funk - toss the Congress to the Democrats and the GOP would wisen up and conservatives would get back on top. Did it work? Not in this primary! We never win by losing. We end up losing, then losing more, then having no power, leverage or voice at all.
I put the country first of course. The part can go to hell after what it's done. BUT, in order to put the country first, I put conservatism right up there as well. Without a conservative movement, the country is doomed. As are all the socialist countries out there.
Having McCain in will do very detrimental things to the conservative movement, even more than Bush has done. Thsoe that sat out 2004 did so with justified reasons. However, it backfired because we lost congress. I would never sit out an election because congress and local governments are too important. But I will never again vote for a RINO 'hoping' the party will get the idea and magically change. If they don't learn the hard way - loss of donations, loss of votes - then they deserve to go the way of the Whigs. Another will rise from the ashes. Keeping the status quo by encouraging them by supporting them no matter now much they stray from the party principles just makes them veer farther left (ie., the fact that McCain is the nominee is unbelievable. In 2000, he didn't have a chance.) Who's next? Is there another 'Republican' more liberal than McCain? Perhaps Kennedy will be on 'our' ticket in 2012...
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posted on
02/12/2008 2:08:45 PM PST
by
CottonBall
(The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. (Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854 ))
To: WOSG; claudiustg
McSlime would definately send us down a path from which we cannot recover.
UN Rule
Climate change insanity
Gun confiscation
Total loss of all rights
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posted on
02/12/2008 3:40:08 PM PST
by
editor-surveyor
(Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
To: Kaslin
If Republicans are waiting for another Ronald Reagan or someone with his credentials, they might as well start trying to figure out how to be a good, obedient socialist. The generations of morally strong, respected national figures are gone. We are well into the MTV-CBS educated society. John McCain might not be my first pick either, but I will not help Hillary or Obama get elected by trashing McCain.
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posted on
02/12/2008 4:01:03 PM PST
by
CarryingOn
(Spread the message every day, like your life depended on it.)
To: Yosemitest
"
Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh have the right idea, and the country's best interest at heart.
I'm voting against McCain." I agree, and plan to do the same thing, but Rush didn't say to do that; he's still a party guy.
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posted on
02/12/2008 4:18:07 PM PST
by
editor-surveyor
(Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
To: WOSG
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