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To: WOSG
One of the key points of disagreement is that you seem to think an Obama presidency would be easily corrected by some future conservative.

No, that wasn't my point at all. Perhaps I misphrased what I meant. I didn't mean the harm done could be easily corrected, but that a Dem win, whether it's Hillary OR Obama, could help to resurrect the conservative movement. Nothing helps like a common enemy. However, when the enemy is in our own party (ie., McCain) then it's more likely to be destructive, not unifying.
304 posted on 02/12/2008 10:42:21 AM PST by CottonBall (The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. (Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854 ))
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To: CottonBall

“I didn’t mean the harm done could be easily corrected, but that a Dem win, whether it’s Hillary OR Obama, could help to resurrect the conservative movement.”

Ah, that is different, and a bit more valid ... But again, I would
1) Put our country first here. What’s best for USA, nor our movement/party?
2) I heard that argument (’we can win by losing’) in 2006 when conservatives started getting in their funk - toss the Congress to the Democrats and the GOP would wisen up and conservatives would get back on top. Did it work? Not in this primary! We never win by losing. We end up losing, then losing more, then having no power, leverage or voice at all.

I am afraid that the real consequence of an Obama victory is a permanent left-ward shifting of the political landscape. When Bush won the media was intent on make America seem divided. When Clinton won - poof - there was no ‘red state’ he was president of all, and the dissenters were ‘angry voices’ on the ‘right’ who were just “a VRWC”. They will do that again to us.

“However, when the enemy is in our own party (ie., McCain) then it’s more likely to be destructive, not unifying.”

Understood. It’s why I speak of us being a ‘loyal opposition’ if he wins. We cannot and will not be silent if and when he crosses conservatives. But with McCain we have leverage we will not have in the new ObamaNation.


308 posted on 02/12/2008 10:55:43 AM PST by WOSG (Want to blame someone for McCain being the nominee? Blame the Mormon-bashers)
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