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1 posted on 02/11/2008 2:05:24 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Well, the article is wrong about IA. It is no Republican stronghold at all. Ask Tom Harkin?


2 posted on 02/11/2008 2:07:00 PM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

I’ll read it later....but right off the top of my head I’d say

No. But, the RNC is only concerned about keeping politicians in the Swamp. Any politician is okay, ones with R’s next to them give the RNC money.


3 posted on 02/11/2008 2:08:49 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (McCain is unstable.)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Well, the article is wrong about IA. It is no Republican stronghold at all. Ask Tom Harkin?


4 posted on 02/11/2008 2:10:30 PM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

I stopped at the beginning. The premise that the RNC is “making John McCain the nominee” is preposterous. I’m sorry, but in light of a year long campaign, constant changes in front runners, continuing caucuses and primaries across the nation, and the failure of other candidates - this myth of an RNC conspiracy or even ability to pick the nominee approaches the level of a 9/11 denial. Folks, we have watched this process and it wasn’t engineered by any RNC.


5 posted on 02/11/2008 2:12:21 PM PST by Williams
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To: PlainOleAmerican

The RNC didn’t make McCain the leading nominee, the voters did.


6 posted on 02/11/2008 2:12:27 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: PlainOleAmerican

I think many of us have suspected this since before the 2006 mid term elections, when Ken Mehlman was in charge.


7 posted on 02/11/2008 2:13:13 PM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

The media is to blame for McCain. They have managed to keep the sheeple ignorant, fat and happy.


8 posted on 02/11/2008 2:13:15 PM PST by Fawn (Hola Amnesty!)
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RNC is doing nothing unusual!!

They pick the schmucks & we've always voted for them because they have an R after their names.

I think they are running into a brick wall this time!!

We're just not playing that game anymore.

9 posted on 02/11/2008 2:14:17 PM PST by LADY J
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Every time I get donation requests from the RNC, I send them a well written short note. Nothing profane, just to the point. They still don’t get it. My guess is since there’s no check in the envelope, they don’t even read the letter. I got another one the other day. I’m sending them a “McCain buck”.

Now I just have to find a picture of one to print out.


10 posted on 02/11/2008 2:14:33 PM PST by Just Lori (There is nothing democrat-"ic" about democrats.)
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I agree with what this person wrote, even to supporting Republican Senators that would be running. Don’t lose sight of that when I tell you that the idea the United States Senate is going to save the conservative’s bacon, goes to show just out screwed we are right now.

The United States Senate is one of the most screwed up bodies in the world as it relates to conservatism. Even when we have majorities there, we get nowhere.

I’ll support the idea, but I do have to view the effort in light of what the Senate always seems to have always been and seems like it will always be.


11 posted on 02/11/2008 2:16:57 PM PST by DoughtyOne (That's right McStain, you'll get my vote when you peel it from my cold dead fingers.)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Excuse me, the party of Whiners is across the street, in the sewer, called DU or something like that. I try not to go there because of the filth.

What is it with all these crybabies? On what planet do they write? It can’t be Earth or the US, it must be some fantasy world where a secret cabal of people determine who is presidential candidate. Because it certainly ignores nine million people who cast their vote and actually /did/ make the selection, as horrid as it be.

But, hey, what am I saying? This is the world of blame. We must blame someone, so we blame the RNC while our neighbors vote for the likes of John McCain.

Word to the author: Get off your rump and go recruit some conservatives to run for office, and some conservatives to help support them into office, and participate.


15 posted on 02/11/2008 2:18:38 PM PST by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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Let’s see, Mel F-ing Martinez is the leader there and they are trying to appeal to moderates and liberals in lieu of conservatives so yes I’d say the RNC is trying to destroy the GOP.
I will not vote for a RINO p.o.s.


24 posted on 02/11/2008 2:27:32 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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Certainly the media did a lot to keep Fred out. And many stupid conservative pundits helped, especially National Review and Hugh Hewitt.

But this article is right on the money. The RNC set this up and really blindsided the base. I confess I had NO IDEA that the nomination process had gotten so screwed up, frontloaded with liberal states and crossover states. We were all played for suckers, and the truth didn’t emerge until the deal was done and McCain had it.

The RNC and the pros had two favored candidates: Giuliani and McCain. when Giuliani faded, McCain was the winner. Sure the media helped McCain a lot, but they couldn’t have done it without the RNC setting it up.


28 posted on 02/11/2008 2:31:00 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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A person would have to be brain dead to think that the RNC has EVER been truly conservative in nature. It has always promoted, first and foremost, its own existence and power.

If it is in its perceived best interest to sound conservative, it will sound conservative. If it is in its perceived best interest to sound moderate, it will sound moderate.

The RNC is only what the latest poll tells it to be. That’s party politics.

True conservative candidates have never started-out being RNC supported candidates. Only when the conservative candidate received the support of the majority of voters did the RNC embrace them.

The truth is that the RNC is RINO. Only when the Republican grass-roots majority takes a conservative stand does the RNC truly become faithful to the true Republican creed.


34 posted on 02/11/2008 2:35:45 PM PST by IssuesOriented
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I thought you conspiracy theorists told us that the MSM/FoxNews/Trilateral Commission/the Jews/the RNC were pushing Giuliani? Get your story straight!


37 posted on 02/11/2008 2:38:25 PM PST by iowamark
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“Is the RNC Trying to Destroy the GOP?”

To those who say “NO” to this question, how would their behavior and treatment of the base be different if they WERE?


39 posted on 02/11/2008 2:41:30 PM PST by Grunthor (Unlike the Republican Party, this conservatives' principles MEAN SOMETHING!)
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To: PlainOleAmerican; TommyDale; nicmarlo; Liz; indylindy; Gondring
As of this writing, the RNC has completed 30 state primaries. Our “leader” John McCain, has lost 19 of the 30. A little over 16.5 million votes have been cast in Republican primaries so far, only 4.9 million of those for McCain, 30.9%. - with 69.1% of all Republican voters having voted against McCain.

Obama carried his home state of Illinois with 65% of the vote. Clinton carried her adopted home state of New York with 57% of the vote. McCain won his home state too, but with only 47% of the vote, less than half of his constituents. The only states McCain broke above 50% in are liberal stronghold states, Connecticut, New Jersey and New York and in all three cases, both Clinton and Obama defeat him in these states by more than a 2 to 1 margin. . .

28 states have completed both RNC and DNC primaries thus far. By popular vote, Obama won 14, Clinton 10 and McCain only 4. McCain lost the RNC primary in 3 of those 4 states, averaging only 14% support from Republican primary voters in each. He is at best secure in only 2 of the 4 states, Alaska and Iowa. In the general election, he can indeed lose both Arizona and Nevada.

The stark truth. The only question is whether the history books will declare the RNC Strategery or Rudy Giuliani's non-traditional campaign the stupidest Republican moves of 2008.

47 posted on 02/11/2008 2:50:24 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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I do not believe McCain can win. If he does, it will be without my vote.


51 posted on 02/11/2008 2:56:57 PM PST by devane617 (I WILL VOTE AGAINST JOHN MCCAIN !!!!!)
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How is the RNC involved? Seems like they are staying out of it for the time being.


57 posted on 02/11/2008 3:01:47 PM PST by duckln
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Other than comparing apples to oranges to grapes, I suppose it’s fine. On a strictly factual level, the article is full of error. I.e., the RNC doesn’t pick the candidate. IA is not a GOP state.

This sounds like the Dems complaining after ‘00 about that pesky Electoral College. The name of the nominating primaries game is collecting delegates. New York has more delegates than Wyoming. The name of the presidential election game is electoral votes. Ditto NY v WY. It’s not about the popular vote, or having a greater number of states in your column, it’s about how many delegates/electoral votes the candidates get. Whoever gets the most wins.

Conservatives could not get their act together behind anyone, they were having too much fun ripping frontrunner Rudy Giuliani apart. SO now they can live with the consequences. Our next president will be either John McCain or Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama. There are no other viable alternatives remaining. Ronald Reagan is not coming back.


59 posted on 02/11/2008 3:02:53 PM PST by EDINVA
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