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GOV. Charlie Crist - LIVE ON FOX -- Taling up McCain..
FOX ^ | LIVE | David Osborne

Posted on 02/10/2008 7:28:17 PM PST by davidosborne

Sorry Gov. Crist not buying it... anyone else watcing this?

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To: Lexinom

he’s bad on all 3.


141 posted on 02/10/2008 10:50:06 PM PST by Def Conservative (If conservatives lose the primary battle, we should write in Reagan in November.)
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To: SoCalPol

There was no WOT in 1993. Terrorism was never given or even thought of as a reason to go into Somalia.


142 posted on 02/10/2008 10:52:43 PM PST by TigersEye (I'm a maverick. I'm sticking with conservatism.)
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To: TigersEye

*There was no WOT in 1993.*

Tell that to the folks who were bombed at the World Trade Center in 1993.
The enemy was already fighting the WOT only we didn’t know it and Clinton could have cared less.


143 posted on 02/10/2008 11:01:51 PM PST by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: All
Do any of these phony Conservatives actually believe anything they say anymore? It's getting embarrassing listening to all of these RINO's pretending to be Conservative. Why would anyone ever vote for this man? Photobucket
144 posted on 02/10/2008 11:06:08 PM PST by AllseeingEye33 (ney)
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To: ari-freedom
building the border should be something the federal govt can do

I missed that post earlier. I fully agree. In fact it is Constitutionally mandated in terms of national security. Unfortunately none of the three likely to be the next Pres. has any interest in doing that. They are all sitting Senators and have actively fought against it.

145 posted on 02/10/2008 11:07:43 PM PST by TigersEye (I'm a maverick. I'm sticking with conservatism.)
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To: SoCalPol

I don’t have to tell it to anyone. It is a simple fact that we did not go into Somalia because of terrorism and no one in power was fighting a WOT.


146 posted on 02/10/2008 11:09:09 PM PST by TigersEye (I'm a maverick. I'm sticking with conservatism.)
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To: Def Conservative

fiscal conservative means not spending so much and blowing the deficit. It means reforming social security, medicare, medicaid, UI, etc. It means not raising taxes. It doesn’t mean supporting each and every tax cut...but he does support cutting taxes.

Greedy people do need to be punished...there is too much collusion between corporations and government. Look at all the special favors in the tax code and govt programs. He wants to get rid of all that corporate welfare and protectionist policies.

mcCain does seem to be following in Teddy Roosevelt’s footsteps. Teddy was for an estate and progressive income tax, not for income redistribution and equality, but rather he felt the rich should pay more because their wealth was made possible by the protection the govt provides them. I think everyone now agrees that if we’re going to tax, we should tax the rich instead of the poor. The US used to tax the poor with tariffs and excise taxes.

Even a flat tax with a standard deduction will be somewhat progressive. McCain does sound like he is in favor of such an overhaul. But not a fair tax and certainly not our current system where well heeled people pay accountants to find all kinds of loopholes.

He doesn’t believe in *soaking* the rich. That will come from a real liberal who wants redistribution of wealth.

He also understands the laffer curve. Cutting tax rates does increase revenue but there is a limit. A zero tax on large estates means zero revenue and that means everyone else has to pay more taxes to make up the revenue. It would also seem unfair for a Paris Hilton, who never had to do anything to earn her keep, should get off completely simply because she had the right parents.


147 posted on 02/11/2008 12:04:14 AM PST by ari-freedom (Pragmatism: the 4th leg of conservatism.)
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To: TigersEye

yeah but I was talking about attriting down the illegal population. Eventually there will be no illegals but it could take decades after a fence is built.


148 posted on 02/11/2008 12:07:06 AM PST by ari-freedom (Pragmatism: the 4th leg of conservatism.)
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To: TigersEye

the mission in iraq is more than nation building. It is of strategic importance. You can’t say that about somalia.


149 posted on 02/11/2008 12:09:48 AM PST by ari-freedom (Pragmatism: the 4th leg of conservatism.)
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To: SoCalPol

looks like you need a Rudy for mayor. Duncan Hunter was able to get a fence for San Diego. Perhaps your city can do that too and I think those two things will cut down on the crime very quickly.
It’s dealing with the millions of peaceful illegals across the country that will take a while. The majority don’t get into trouble and avoid detection.


150 posted on 02/11/2008 12:17:00 AM PST by ari-freedom (Pragmatism: the 4th leg of conservatism.)
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To: ari-freedom

I live in San Diego and Duncan Hunter is one of our 5 congressmen.

As I said earlier, D.C. has played passive agressive with the issue and have not put forward the major double fence that was started in the eastern part of the county.


151 posted on 02/11/2008 12:27:50 AM PST by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: ari-freedom

and San Diego is the largest city in the U.S. with a Republican Mayor


152 posted on 02/11/2008 12:29:04 AM PST by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: TinaJeannes

My daughter will proudly vote for Senator Mccain in Virginia next week!

Why? That does not make sense. Your daughter does not seem conservative if she is doing this.


153 posted on 02/11/2008 12:32:59 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: ari-freedom

That may be a detail we just disagree about. I think serious enforcement on the employers would make that attrition happen very fast. It only took about ten years for the greater percentage of them to come here. If jobs dried up they would leave quickly. Handout need to dry up too. Without jobs and entitlements it costs a lot more to live here than where they came from. They would leave while they have funds to live off of back home.


154 posted on 02/11/2008 12:33:23 AM PST by TigersEye (I'm a maverick. I'm sticking with conservatism.)
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To: ari-freedom

Peaceful or not, the illegals are costing San Diego mega millions a year. If tens of thousands of illegals came into your city and still entering over running your hospitals, and every other social service.

Your culture is changed for them.
I watched over 50,000 march here with Marxist signs.

All their crime here is overrunning our prison system.
Our Federal Court system is busier than NYC.

This is an invasion and another theater in the WOT

Get a clue


155 posted on 02/11/2008 12:36:34 AM PST by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: ari-freedom

I agree that Iraq is more important and for several reasons. That is still beside the point. McCain is not consistent on military and foreign policy matters. Emotion rules him and reason rarely trips through his little brain.


156 posted on 02/11/2008 12:36:48 AM PST by TigersEye (I'm a maverick. I'm sticking with conservatism.)
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To: TigersEye

well the problem is that many employers pay cash under the table.


157 posted on 02/11/2008 12:37:14 AM PST by ari-freedom (Pragmatism: the 4th leg of conservatism.)
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To: SoCalPol

i do have a clue but dealing with them may cost billions, not millions. And if you are caught up looking for all illegals, you won’t be able to go after more serious crime. It will be harder than going after marijuana, which many argue should be decriminalized.


158 posted on 02/11/2008 12:40:54 AM PST by ari-freedom (Pragmatism: the 4th leg of conservatism.)
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To: TigersEye

you’ll probably find that most conservatives wanted to just get out of somalia at that time. They wanted to get us out of clinton’s mess. I don’t think you really have much of an argument here. Get him on gitmo and waterboarding, not this.


159 posted on 02/11/2008 12:44:02 AM PST by ari-freedom (Pragmatism: the 4th leg of conservatism.)
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To: ari-freedom
Well that kind of shoots the argument that keeps getting foisted on us that the illegals are propping up SS. Once again a case where McCain and his ilk can't have it both ways. The majority are on payrolls and that can be dealt with. Pointing to fringe cases to call into question the effectiveness of the whole isn't a valid argument. That and the fear mongering "we can't deport them all" are about the only rationales put up against just enforcing the laws on the books.

There sure seems to be a strong resistance to enforcing the law in Washington. Are those pols afraid the people will demand that our laws be enforced on them next?

160 posted on 02/11/2008 12:46:19 AM PST by TigersEye (I'm a maverick. I'm sticking with conservatism.)
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