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Ohio Officials at Odds Over Paper Ballot
NY Times ^ | Feb. 09, 2008 | By BOB DRIEHAUS

Posted on 02/09/2008 4:21:26 PM PST by jdm

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CINCINNATI — Ohio’s effort to clean up its voting system before the presidential primary on March 4 has pitted state election leaders against local officials over an order to provide a paper ballot to any voter who requests one.

Secretary of State Jennifer L. Brunner, a Democrat, wants to eliminate touch-screen machines for the November election from the 53 counties that still use them and install optical scan machines to provide a paper trail.

Because the conversion cannot be completed in time for the primary in most counties, Ms. Brunner ordered the printing of paper ballots as an interim step.

“The paper ballots are not only going to provide a voter alternative for those who prefer not to use touch-screen machines, but they may also alleviate long lines,” Ms. Brunner said. “We expect a much higher than normal turnout in the primary.”

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: oh2004; ohio; paperballot

1 posted on 02/09/2008 4:21:32 PM PST by jdm
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To: jdm
Secretary of State Jennifer L. Brunner, a Democrat, wants to eliminate touch-screen machines for the November election from the 53 counties that still use them and install optical scan machines to provide a paper trail.

Doesn't this idiot know that most Democrat lemmings are against optical scan machines too?

2 posted on 02/09/2008 4:25:02 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Benedict Arnold was against the Terrorist Surveillance Program)
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To: jdm
Somewhere in the discussion of modernizing our voting systems someone purposely confounded the terms "paper trail" and "audit trail". This led to confounding the terms "paper ballot" and "paper trail".

Fur Shur paper ballots are about the easiest vote form to corrupt ~ and that's because they have no "audit trail".

Secretary of State Jennifer L. Brunner either knows this and intends to add a new element of corruption in the system, presumably for the benefit of the Democrats, or she's too stupid to pour kool aid out of a boot.

3 posted on 02/09/2008 4:27:25 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: VeniVidiVici
I thought the Dim-O-Rats wanted paper ballots (jow else could they stuff the ballot box with dead voters).
4 posted on 02/09/2008 4:28:06 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: jdm

Oh man, you got that right! /laughs

5 posted on 02/09/2008 4:47:13 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: muawiyah

“Secretary of State Jennifer L. Brunner either knows this and intends to add a new element of corruption in the system, presumably for the benefit of the Democrats, or she’s too stupid to pour kool aid out of a boot.”

IMO, the former option is the most plausible. Your analysis on the modernization of our voting systems is extemely accurate. With technological advances occurring at an exponential rate this should be a moot point by now. I guess only if Dems could learn to play by the rules.


6 posted on 02/09/2008 4:52:32 PM PST by callisto (CONGRESS.SYS corrupted...Re-boot Washington DC (Y/N)?)
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To: SandRat
No sweat .. just plug one of these little baby's into yer local DieBold machine, programmed just the way you like with your own personal election outcome on it, and all is well in Election World

What could be easier?

7 posted on 02/09/2008 4:53:08 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: SandRat

Using touch screens is just asking for trouble. The best way is the simplest way. Pieces of paper that are scrupulously guarded and counted. I worked the polls in Ohio last November, and in my little precinct at least, everyone was bending over backward to do it right. And we couldn’t leave until the number of ballots agreed with the number on the scanning machine, and the number of entries in the book. If there are any shenanigans it has to come later, in my opinion. And the polls are supposed to have an equal number of workers from each party, to keep an eye on each other, I guess.


8 posted on 02/09/2008 5:01:30 PM PST by buckeye49
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To: buckeye49
No system of voting is free of potential corruption. In Athens people were caught trying to drop more than 1 rock.

I worked in Riverside County, CA polls, the first to go all touch screen. The machines were not networked and two people took the cartridges to the registrar's office.

What we should be doing is having a two week voting period, like the mail in period. Kiosks at the mall and internet. Let's figure out what's most efficient and get about the security aspect.

9 posted on 02/09/2008 5:06:18 PM PST by purpleraine
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To: jdm

10 posted on 02/09/2008 5:14:21 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.)
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To: Mr_Moonlight

Programming is not all that easy.


11 posted on 02/09/2008 5:54:34 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: buckeye49
Pieces of paper are vote fraud on wheels. The methods are remarkably simple ~ do your own ballots ~ stuff them in a box that looks like the official box ~ arrange for a swapsaroo and there you have it.

No rational person supports "paper ballots".

12 posted on 02/09/2008 5:55:46 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Pieces of paper are vote fraud on wheels. The methods are remarkably simple ~ do your own ballots ~ stuff them in a box that looks like the official box ~ arrange for a swapsaroo and there you have it.

Remember when AlWhore was trying to sue his way to the Presidency a Palm Beach official was found with a vote machine in the trunk? Without physical security nothing is sacrosanct. Whether it be touchscreen and the Sandisk or a paper ballot box.

Give me access to you voting method of choice and I can fix anything.

13 posted on 02/09/2008 6:04:35 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Benedict Arnold was against the Terrorist Surveillance Program)
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To: muawiyah

I’m a rational person, and I like paper ballots. There will always be fraud unless honest people get involved and are vigilant.


14 posted on 02/09/2008 6:31:12 PM PST by buckeye49
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To: buckeye49

I don’t see how you can be both rational and someone who likes paper ballots ~ unless, of course, you engage in voting irregularities yourself.


15 posted on 02/09/2008 6:37:16 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Are you accusing me of something just because I disagree with you? You can insult me all you want, you’re just showing your ignorance. I have my opinion, and it’s my opinion. Your stupid accusations are just that—stupid.


16 posted on 02/09/2008 6:48:47 PM PST by buckeye49
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