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1 posted on 02/09/2008 5:54:41 AM PST by Sub-Driver
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Now I am sure that I hate Toledo. My in laws live there and I had to go enjoy the surroundings for a few days. And don’t get me started on what they call chili.


29 posted on 02/09/2008 6:27:30 AM PST by doodad
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THE BEST COMEBACK LINE EVER!

Marine Corps

General Reinwald was interviewed on the radio the other day and you’ll love his reply to the lady who interviewed him concerning guns and children. Regardless of how you feel about gun laws, you gotta love this!!!

This is one of the best comeback lines of all time. The following is a portion of a National Public Radio (NPR) interview between a female broadcaster and US Marine Corps General Reinwald who was about to sponsor a Boy Scout Troop visiting his military installation.

FEMALE INTERVIEWER: So, General Reinwald, what things are you going to teach these young boys when they visit your base?

GENERAL REINWALD: We’re going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery and shooting.

FEMALE INTERV IEWER: Shooting! That’s a bit irresponsible, isn’t it?

GENERAL REINWALD: I don’t see why, they’ll be properly supervised on the rifle range.

FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Don’t you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?

GENERAL REINWALD: I don’t see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle discipline before they even touch a firearm.

FEMALE INTERVIEWER: But you’re equipping them to become violent killers.

GENERAL REINWALD: Well, Ma’am, you’re equipped to be a
prostitute but you’re not one, are you?

The radio went silent and the interview ended.
You gotta love the Marines.


35 posted on 02/09/2008 6:42:49 AM PST by KeyLargo
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How much federal money does Toledo get? and how much of it ends up in the mayor’s pocket?


36 posted on 02/09/2008 6:42:51 AM PST by Bernard (If you always tell the truth, you never have to remember exactly what you said.)
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Many U.S. citizens see our military and feel secure, some of them might even feel inspired. It only stands to reason that there are others out there that might feel afraid and threatened. However, they are usually the ones that are fighting our military.


41 posted on 02/09/2008 6:55:41 AM PST by new cruelty
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The worst part about this whole episode is the mayor has to hide behind a spokesman. He apparently lacks the courage to come out and address the issue himself. He can’t be that busy.
I mean, we’re talking about Toledo!


42 posted on 02/09/2008 7:00:16 AM PST by Krankor (kROGER)
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mayor.toledo@toledo.oh.gov, michael.ashford@toledo.oh.gov, joe.mcnamara@toledo.oh.gov, phillip.copeland@toledo.oh.gov, frank.szollosi@toledo.oh.gov, mark.sobczak@toledo.oh.gov, george.sarantou@toledo.oh.gov, wilma.brown@toledo.oh.gov, rob.ludeman@toledo.oh.gov, mike.craig@toledo.oh.gov, ellen.grachek@toledo.oh.gov, betty.shultz@toledo.oh.gov, twozniak@co.lucas.oh.us

email them all. Total nitwits just like those in Berkeley.


43 posted on 02/09/2008 7:01:29 AM PST by HD1200
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“So after a brief stop at a friendly base in Perrysburg Township, the Marines by early evening were back on their way home to Grand Rapids.”

They are always welcome back in GR.

Toledo can %@#!%& themselves, but Im sure they are good at that already.


48 posted on 02/09/2008 7:10:33 AM PST by VanDeKoik (George Washington 2008)
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As bizarre as it sounds, to some extent, I have to agree with the mayor here.

Here’s the problem: civilians.

The military is focused, professional, ordered, sensible, and efficient. Civilians are chaotic, confused, excitable, mentally ill, and unpredictable. The military is not the problem, or even potential problem, here.

In my city, a fairly isolated and abandoned small wooden building was supposed to be used for training purposes by our fire department. They were going to safely set it on fire, then practice putting it out. Simple.

Not so. To begin with, the city got a deluge of complaints. From those who wished to preserve the shack, those who were afraid of fire or that it would spread, those who were afraid of smoke, those concerned with the wasting of water, those who didn’t want the street obstructed, and, of course, the purely kooks.

Then, when they set the fire, the local 911 phone line was overwhelmed with idiots calling to report a fire surrounded by firemen. And since they couldn’t get through on 911, they started calling other city government offices, and even the County fire department.

The police also had to turn out in force because of the idiot onlookers who wanted to watch the fire. The final cost to the city approached $75,000, to half burn down a shack. Needless to say, that was the last time the fire department had a training exercise in city limits.

The background story to this amazing inanity was told by the mayor himself, for several years afterwards. His audience usually found it to be very funny. In retrospect, it was.

Now, while this does not completely exonerate the mayor of Toledo for his actions, in that he probably had ulterior political motives, he still might have ended up making the right decision, if for the wrong reasons.

Personally, if I was going to direct a military urban warfare training exercise, I would want it as far as possible away from civilians, to protect my personnel from unpredictable civilian idiots who might do heaven knows what.


49 posted on 02/09/2008 7:11:19 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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Scared people. What a bunch of pussies. Scared people??? These “scared” people are the same ones who watch the Terminator, Die Hard, Bourne, Chain Saw Massacre type movies. And this scares them??????? Total and unadulterated leftist B.S. and pure hate of the Marines by this so called mayor who nothing but a socialist pig. F him. May he and his kind rot in socialist hell.
50 posted on 02/09/2008 7:13:50 AM PST by RetiredArmy (A man alone. Without a party. Without a political voice. Bush destroyed conservatives.)
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Charge the mayor for the cost of the canceled exercise.
51 posted on 02/09/2008 7:14:14 AM PST by airborne (I'm leaving the Republican Party! They do not represent me or my values!)
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Carleton “Carty” S. Finkbeiner (born May 30, 1939) is an American Democratic politician who is the current mayor of Toledo, Ohio.

Controversy
Known as much for his temper as his work ethic, many allegations surfaced throughout Finkbeiner’s two terms, and more continue to surface in his third.

Toledo restaurateur John Skiadas filed a law-suit alleging that Finkbeiner physically and verbally assaulted him at the Erie Street Market in 2000. The lawsuit was dismissed by Lucas County Common Pleas Judge Charles Wittenberg in 2004.[1][2]

Finkbeiner was the focus of a segment on the Daily Show poking fun at statements he made suggesting that Toledo could be the next Hollywood. During the interview, Carty expressed his ideas while the camera fixated on Toledo’s most rundown neighborhoods, contrasting them with the glitz and glamor of Hollywood. The segment aired during the 1997-98 season.

On July 1, 1998, Carty was fined $400 and court costs after pleading guilty to ethics charges when he was Mayor, realized a $10,000 profit from Owens Corning’s purchase of his condo, and his failure to publicly report the gain.[citation needed]

He plagiarized a single line in his KICK-OFF speech in 1998.[3]

Finkbeiner suggested relieving the problem of noise complaints from neighbors of Toledo Express Airport by selling homes nearby at low cost to deaf people.[4]

Several times throughout his administration, controversies such as these brought national attention to Toledo.

In early 2006, political adversaries scoffed over the Mayor spending $9,996 of city money to complete the installation of shower facilities in the City Government building. They attempted to label the project a “controversy” because the shower quote was originally $10,006, six dollars over a threshold that requires approval from City Council. The contractor was able to shave $10 from the project, something a vocal minority felt was unethical. [5]

In 2004, Finkbeiner experienced health problems and underwent bypass surgery.[6]

In May 2006, he called Toledo’s African-American Fire Chief Michael Bell “King Kong” at a staff meeting. Finkbeiner later clarified his remarks as relating to the Chiefs physical stature, and Chief Bell has acknowledged in public that he took no offense to the remarks.[7]

In June 2006, Jack Smith resigned from his brief tenure as Chief of Police after what he described as a near-physical confrontation with the mayor after they exchanged words.[8]

In January 2007, Finkbeiner claimed that both he and wife Amy were treated unprofessionally by Ottawa County sheriff’s deputies when they tried to visit Amy’s son, an inmate, on separate occasions. Amy Finkbeiner claimed she was not allowed to use a ladies’ room at the jail, while Finkbeiner said he was denied a chance to visit after visiting hours had concluded. Sheriff Bob Bratton said the deputies were only doing their jobs. [9]

Later that month, Finkbeiner and his press secretary were sued by radio station WSPD, claiming that First Amendment provisions regarding freedom of the press were violated when the press secretary forcibly kept a station employee out of a public press conference. Finkbeiner’s objection to the employee is that he produces opinions and editorials, and is not in fact a reporter on behalf of WSPD. On January 31, a federal judge granted the station a permanent injunction requiring Finkbeiner and his staff to admit station personnel.[10]

He has also suggested a cafe be built on the Martin Luther King bridge so city employees could eat there while the bridge was undergoing construction. [11]

In August 2007, Finkbeiner was confronted on two occasions by reporters because he parked in a handicapped spot and left his dog in the car during a hot spell. Finkbeiner was ticketed and fined, but denied mistreating the animal.[12]


55 posted on 02/09/2008 7:29:32 AM PST by HD1200
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First Berkeley, now Toledo...is this country going friggin’ mad?


60 posted on 02/09/2008 7:58:18 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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Another outrage!

A company of (Michigan) Marine Corps Reservists received a cold send-off from downtown Toledo (OHIO) yesterday by order of Mayor Carty Finkbeiner.


Ohio and Michigan Freepers, scramble for intercept!


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63 posted on 02/09/2008 8:02:40 AM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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"He did not want them practicing and drilling in a highly visible area."

Hmm. The Boston militia drilled on Boston Common, right under the noses of General Gage's troops. No one was alarmed or frightened, except General Gage and his troops.

73 posted on 02/09/2008 8:12:02 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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I guess the mayor hasn’t heard that there is crime in his town.


74 posted on 02/09/2008 8:14:57 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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"But we're Marines," Major O'Neill said. "We'll adapt and overcome."

Ooh Rah!

75 posted on 02/09/2008 8:17:04 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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Time to withhold federal subsidies from Toledo? Their schools and other services would collapse almost over night.. oh wait..


76 posted on 02/09/2008 8:20:12 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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Dear Mayor Finkbeiner:

Shame of you! Your hostility toward our own sons and daughters is traitorous. You sir, do not understand the ideals of defending freedom and liberty, the very foundation of this country rests on the continued training of our brave fighting forces, The United States Military.

Your hostilities will be known to your fellow countrymen. You will feel the effects of your obvious disdain for our country.

Respectfully,

Julie
Indiana


79 posted on 02/09/2008 8:36:01 AM PST by jp3 ("Who cares what entertainers think about international affairs." Johnny Carson, Dec. 1967)
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Mayor Finkbeiner:

I cannot believe that you sent the US Marine Corps packing and would not allow them off their bus. This training, which was arranged beforehand btw, could have saved lives. Is this how you treat America’s Finest?! Perhaps you should move to Berkeley, you would fit in there better. One would have thought that you would have learned something from mistakes made recently there. Or are you doing this for the attention? Sir, you are a treasonous traitor that does not deserve to hold office. The USMC are always faithful and will cover your sorry behind from terrorists foreign and domestic regardless of your stupidity and hatefulness. People like you do our enemy proud. I hope that you are proud of yourself in knowing that you have deprived Marines of training and have put their lives at risk.

Sincerely,

Renée Brunner Houser
Proud Mother of a Marine


82 posted on 02/09/2008 8:55:09 AM PST by Enough_Deceit (Proud Mama of a US Marine! Ooorahh!)
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The Marines are welcome in my town! They don't scare me!!!

What a bunch of idiots to say such dumb things about the very people who protect our sorry butts day in and day out.

You have to be pretty miserable to sit around thinking up things like this to worry about.

84 posted on 02/09/2008 9:04:07 AM PST by kcvl
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