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The British sharia 'crime' court in a cafe where knifemen walk free
Daily Mail ^ | February 8th 2008 | staff

Posted on 02/08/2008 9:02:51 AM PST by pitinkie

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1 posted on 02/08/2008 9:02:55 AM PST by pitinkie
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If all the parties concerned are consenting, and it doesn’t violate English law. There’s nothing to stop a group of people following whichever micky-mouse code they choose to submit themselves to.
I think the issue is if it’s made official and legally binding were it becomes a problem, frankly, I can’t see that happening, despite Beardy’s recent comments....


2 posted on 02/08/2008 9:06:16 AM PST by thundrey
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To: pitinkie

Filed under, “see how much better you’ll feel under our heel”


3 posted on 02/08/2008 9:06:24 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: thundrey

You’re kidding?


4 posted on 02/08/2008 9:14:30 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: driftdiver
If all the parties concerned are consenting, and it doesn’t violate English law.

Of course it violates English Law. If someone was stabbed then the ENGLISH courts cannot be usurped in the administration of justice. The English Court is the law of the land and no other court is recognized.

5 posted on 02/08/2008 9:15:27 AM PST by Wil H
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Sharia cannot supersede statutory law in a Democracy. So, the application of force to carry out judgments must be reserved to civil authorities.

And, I’ll oppose Islamicisation of society generally.

However, arbitration by mutually acceptable arbitrators is a feature of many social and economic relationships.

Insofar as they do not usurp civil authority, do not use force to carry out judgments, and any party may refer the matter to civil courts at their discretion, I don’t have a problem with that.

Reducing the burden on civil courts through that sort of arbitration should remain legal.

As soon as a Sharia court steps over a civil law bright line, the courts members themselves should be convicted and imprisoned.

If everyone can keep their feet on the right side of the lines, this could work out.

And, before I’m accused of Islamophilia, I’ll state that I’m a MEMRI contributor, AIPAC member, etc. I’m highly referenceable as opposed to Islamofascism.

If the position above can be shown to be wrong, please show me.

< donning flame retardant suit>


6 posted on 02/08/2008 9:16:06 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Amnesty! Taxes! Censorship! Jihadi Rights! Gay Marriage! NY Times Endorsed! McCain!)
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OBTW - Stabbing is an Assault, defined in criminal law, and cannot be subject to Sharia courts. Such infractions have criminal courts that must adjudicate the matter.


7 posted on 02/08/2008 9:17:44 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Amnesty! Taxes! Censorship! Jihadi Rights! Gay Marriage! NY Times Endorsed! McCain!)
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To: thundrey
You may be right about civil disputes. However, the counter-party in a crime is the Crown. There’s no way the stabbing should have gone to Sharia court — unless the Crown agreed.
8 posted on 02/08/2008 9:21:12 AM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Wil H

“Of course it violates English Law. If someone was stabbed then the ENGLISH courts cannot be usurped in the administration of justice. The English Court is the law of the land and no other court is recognized.”

English courts are evidently too busy jailing grandmas for pointing bb guns at hoodlums who are vandalizing her home.


9 posted on 02/08/2008 9:22:28 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: Uncle Miltie
If everyone can keep their feet on the right side of the lines, this could work out.

Aye....therein lies the rub.

10 posted on 02/08/2008 9:27:40 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Bureaucracy is a parasite that preys on Free Thought and suffocates Free Spirit.)
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To: pitinkie

Very interesting. Very clever. Legal jihad.


11 posted on 02/08/2008 9:28:59 AM PST by PGalt
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To: thundrey
If all the parties concerned are consenting, and it doesn’t violate English law.

There is no "consent".

A Muslim who rejects a Sharia court where one is available, is an apostate under Islamic doctrine. In Islam, apostasy is punishable by death
12 posted on 02/08/2008 9:29:03 AM PST by PapaBear3625
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If the position above can be shown to be wrong, please show me.

See my prior post above. A Muslim CANNOT reject Sharia law and not be considered an apostate, for which the penalty is DEATH

13 posted on 02/08/2008 9:31:31 AM PST by PapaBear3625
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To: pitinkie
islamic sharia council morons
14 posted on 02/08/2008 9:32:12 AM PST by robomatik (......uh since fred and duncan are out, i think i need a new tagline. =()
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***If the position above can be shown to be wrong, please show me.***

Simple. They make up their own laws.

Even a Catholic orphanage in the UK was NOT allowed to refuse to give children to gay couples, and has had to go out of business after about 100 years of providing loving homes to needy children. If they can’t make up their own laws based on religion, why should the Islamists be allowed to?


15 posted on 02/08/2008 9:39:54 AM PST by kitkat
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I submit the old saying "A foot in the door", is applicable.

In Ontario, Canada even such a mild eager to please Premier Dalton McGuinty, has (so far and touch wood) declared no sharia law. The price has been heavy. This seems to eliminate Jewish separate judicial hearings.

I understand to my consternation sharia law may have got to Texas. I just Googled it.

Ah, my ten pin bowling league starts shortly. Back at 1pm PST.

16 posted on 02/08/2008 9:43:33 AM PST by Peter Libra
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To: thundrey
If all the parties concerned are consenting, and it doesn’t violate English law. There’s nothing to stop a group of people following whichever micky-mouse code they choose to submit themselves to.

Nobody objects to Muslims officiating at marriages and divorces or in personal conflict arbitration.

It becomes a problem when 1) they adjudicate criminal matters in a manner that is not compatible with civil law; and 2) they attempt to apply these laws on the general public.

17 posted on 02/08/2008 9:43:51 AM PST by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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18 posted on 02/08/2008 9:47:48 AM PST by redstateconfidential (If you are the smartest person in the room,you are hanging out with the wrong people.)
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To: pitinkie

UK already has Sharia courts.

What’s the uproar about?


19 posted on 02/08/2008 9:49:44 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: driftdiver

maybe the Stone’s “Under My Thumb” was a song about Dhimmitude.


20 posted on 02/08/2008 10:01:59 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Conservatives are to McCain what Charlie Brown is to Lucy.)
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